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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by hammock » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 1:53 AM UTC

ip26 wrote: post #678

sizzle wrote: post #673

Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Just like being assigned a sex of Male or Female at birth, those who don’t want to associate can identify with another gender identity or even transition their bodies to whatever sex they please. I don’t buy the notion that once a Dalit by birth you are destined…

Imagine trying to identify as a midwesterner except you secretly grew up in Canada. Sooner or later someone is going to figure it out, eh?

Not really. There are scores of famous Hollywood actors, musicians etc who most would never guess were Canadian.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by wumpus » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 1:54 AM UTC

kasey_junk wrote: post #642

wumpus wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money, education, Mayflower ancestor, eligible to join the Daughters of the American Revolution, distant relative of some famous or wealthy family, member of some social clubs (even inexpensive ones), and so on. Edit: but as many other folks are mentioning, this is class and not caste. You'll notice that around half of the things I've mentioned are something you're born with.

Honest question, in what situations have you been in where you were aware that someone had a Mayflower ancestor or was eligible for the Daughters of the Revolution? That has literally never happened to me.

I don't give a crap about class, so I'm probably not the person to ask. I do have family members who care about it.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by yes_really » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 1:55 AM UTC

The real reason why Google canceled the talk is because the speaker has a long history of anti-hindu rhetoric and multiple employees complained about the talk to HR.

That Washington Post article is lying (or being extremely disingenuous) to take advantage of outsiders without context of the situation.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by tavish1 » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 1:59 AM UTC

sizzle wrote: post #673

Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Just like being assigned a sex of Male or Female at birth, those who don’t want to associate can identify with another gender identity or even transition their bodies to whatever sex they please. I don’t buy the notion that once a Dalit by birth you are destined…

caste has been described as "Tower without staircase", i.e. no ability to move up or down, regardless of your economic class, education, or any achievements. You don't identify with a caste, it is tied to your birth (family name, place of birth etc.).

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by ZoomerCretin » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 1:59 AM UTC

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #652

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that OP can attack whole classes of people from an obviously privileged point of view, yet a mild but directed criticism of his ignorance is considered off-limits.

Your comment simply adds nothing. "Do you even know how wrong your beliefs are?", without any further elaboration or commentary, is just pointless. Explain yourself and provide references and you'll accumulate upvotes instead.

Edited my original comment, because apparently racists require nuanced dismissals of their wrong beliefs.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by yes_really » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 2:00 AM UTC

yes_really wrote: post #683

The real reason why Google canceled the talk is because the speaker has a long history of anti-hindu rhetoric and multiple employees complained about the talk to HR. That Washington Post article is lying (or being extremely disingenuous) to take advantage of outsiders without context of the situation.

Note: I'm not saying there isn't caste bias. I'm saying that articles like these are shamelessly lying about what happened.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by tavish1 » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 2:01 AM UTC

yes_really wrote: post #683

The real reason why Google canceled the talk is because the speaker has a long history of anti-hindu rhetoric and multiple employees complained about the talk to HR. That Washington Post article is lying (or being extremely disingenuous) to take advantage of outsiders without context of the situation.

That would be because casteism is deeply tied to hinduism. You can't criticize it, without also implicitly criticizing the other. What is the context that would make this okay?

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by JadeNB » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 2:04 AM UTC

jfrbfbreudh wrote: post #617

pmoriarty wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"as soon as the teacher started talking about the socioeconomic-status associated with eye color, students immediately divided themselves and started fighting over eye color" It wasn't the teacher talking about socioeconomic-status associated with eye color, but explicitly telling the children that blue-eyed kids were better than brown-eyed kids. So it wasn't just consciousness of differences, but explicitly telling…

> It wasn't the teacher talking about socioeconomic-status associated with eye color, but explicitly telling the children that blue-eyed kids were better than brown-eyed kids. Amazingly, the teacher had done the exact opposite and told the brown-eyed students that they were the smarter group. Now, is that your bias showing?

> Amazingly, the teacher had done the exact opposite and told the brown-eyed students that they were the smarter group. Now, is that your bias showing?

Rather famously, the point is that the teacher did both.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by johnny22 » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 2:05 AM UTC

sizzle wrote: post #673

Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Just like being assigned a sex of Male or Female at birth, those who don’t want to associate can identify with another gender identity or even transition their bodies to whatever sex they please. I don’t buy the notion that once a Dalit by birth you are destined…

it doesn't matter what you identify with/as, it matters how your bosses identify you.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by AYBABTME » Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 2:06 AM UTC

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #638

AYBABTME wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please abstain from ad-hominem.

Interesting that OP can attack whole classes of people from an obviously privileged point of view, yet a mild but directed criticism of his ignorance is considered off-limits.

You edited your (now mild) comment after I wrote this.