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Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by underwater »

plq wrote: post #47

Here's my dream scenario: Nokia offers the same hardware with two different OS selections and also has Qt working on both Meego and WP platforms. This would obviously be a win-win situation for both the developer and the user. But this would be beneficial for Nokia as well, because: 1) It'd provide Nokia with hard data based on sales and user feedback on which platform performs better in real-world scenarios. Current…

Any app that wasn't specifically designed for Windows Phone 7 is going to feel really out of place of the platform.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by barista »

juliano_q wrote: post #46

I really like this device, but the prospect of using Internet Explorer again really turns me off. The black Lumia 800 with Android 4.0 would be perfect for me.

IE 9 is actually a great little browser on the Mnago version of the OS. What doesn't work on IE9 for you? Which website that you regularly visit on your mobile?

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by untog »

john61 wrote: post #106
untog wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tech scene is not (yet) persuaded that Meego is a dead end Perhaps the tech scene isn't, but everyone else is. Aside from anyone else, phone operators really aren't going to be interested in stocking Meego handsets because no-one wants them or even knows what Meego is.

That's apparently wrong: http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/20/n9-broke-pre-order-record...

in Russia, where it broke the countries record for pre-orders

What was the previous record? For all I know it could be 10.

the phone was sold out by the end of the N9 launch in Russia’s Nokia flagship Store

So it sold out in the main flagship store? That's not really saying a lot. We also don't know how much stock they got in.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by larsberg »

underwater wrote: post #108
larsberg wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developing for the platform is definitely trivial, as you mentioned (disclaimer: I worked at MSFT for years, but I've done an iOS app with over 1M downloads, so I've seen both). Owning the device is a pain, though. 1) Lack of apps. No Pandora. No Bump. No Uber. That trendy new mobile startup? Nope. I sincerely believe that nobody in any YC startup doing mobile even _has_ a Windows VM, except on the test team. 2) Qual…

I've always had both Windows Live and Gmail accounts hooked up on my LG, and I've never had the phone last less than a full day.

Maybe it's something else, then, but I don't know what it could be -- I don't have any background apps and I set it to ping for mail every 30 minutes. Maybe my LG does poorly when signal strength gets low? (AT&T coverage is spotty in Chicago, particularly near the lake)

But, I could use my old iPhone 3g for a couple of solid days, even listening to streaming music and doing stuff on it. With my LG Quantum, I'm almost afraid to turn the screen on to see if I have any text messages.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by sjs »

kenjackson wrote: post #101
sjs wrote: post #69

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I like the data binding stuff but other than that I found XAML a huge pain. Lots of auto-generated stuff mixed in with stuff that I edit as well. It doesn't break but I'd rather have some separation between generated stuff and stuff that I write. (e.g. the generation gap pattern, often useful for models) Navigation is a blessing and a curse, some kind of modal view or overlay would ease the pain there. I don't know i…

The generated code is separated from code you write. In 99.9% of cases you should never even see the code that is generated. Your code should all be in files you explicitly create. And using patterns like MVVM will mean that you actually barely even touch code-behind files (although its OK if you do -- just it won't be necessary).

I never got into it enough to really understand MVVM. It looks like MVC with a different name to me, which leads me to believe I don't get it yet.

Perhaps I was doing it wrong. When I used the GUI to layout UI it was modifying the same XAML that I was also changing manually. I admit to being ignorant about modern versions of Visual Studio, this one trivial app I created was the first time I used .NET, C#, XAML, and Visual Studio. I left Windows programming with VB6 back in the day before switching to Linux.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by chollida1 »

lreeves wrote: post #64
rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

Until Windows Phone supports an encrypted filesystem I can't really see stealing any substantial amount corporate marketshare. Now that Android 4 is out, it's the only mainstream smartphone that does not have this feature out of the box (and pretty much the most common and sensible requirement in ActiveSync provisioning is encrypted storage).

How do I encrypt the contents of my apple iPhone 4?

I couldn't see anything that looked like encryption in the Settings window.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by kenjackson »

sjs wrote: post #115
kenjackson wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The generated code is separated from code you write. In 99.9% of cases you should never even see the code that is generated. Your code should all be in files you explicitly create. And using patterns like MVVM will mean that you actually barely even touch code-behind files (although its OK if you do -- just it won't be necessary).

I never got into it enough to really understand MVVM. It looks like MVC with a different name to me, which leads me to believe I don't get it yet. Perhaps I was doing it wrong. When I used the GUI to layout UI it was modifying the same XAML that I was also changing manually. I admit to being ignorant about modern versions of Visual Studio, this one trivial app I created was the first time I used .NET, C#, XAML, and V…

OK, I see what you're saying. You're doing layout with the designer and seeing the XAML is changing.

Yes, the XAML is the underlying representation of the layout. i think most people are thinking about the code that gets generated and called via "InitializeComponent". What gets generated after the XAML compiler parses the XAML.

You should view the designer as simply a convenient way to edit XAML. Like using a designer to edit HTML.

MVVM is sort of like MVC, although really closer to MVP. Think of MVVM as MVP that where databinding coupled with the View Model is the Presenter.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by rdl »

chollida1 wrote: post #116
lreeves wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until Windows Phone supports an encrypted filesystem I can't really see stealing any substantial amount corporate marketshare. Now that Android 4 is out, it's the only mainstream smartphone that does not have this feature out of the box (and pretty much the most common and sensible requirement in ActiveSync provisioning is encrypted storage).

How do I encrypt the contents of my apple iPhone 4? I couldn't see anything that looked like encryption in the Settings window.

Set a pass code. It encrypts storage transparently after that. There are ways to force device security using lion server (or iCloud or active sync) too.

Unfortunately there are some flaws in the implementation, but it is at least easy.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by juliano_q »

barista wrote: post #112
juliano_q wrote: post #46

I really like this device, but the prospect of using Internet Explorer again really turns me off. The black Lumia 800 with Android 4.0 would be perfect for me.

IE 9 is actually a great little browser on the Mnago version of the OS. What doesn't work on IE9 for you? Which website that you regularly visit on your mobile?

I am probably being biased here. But even nowadays I have very bad experiences with IE on desktop. The simple perspective to use IE again, even on mobile, feels wrong to me.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by barista »

juliano_q wrote: post #119
barista wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IE 9 is actually a great little browser on the Mnago version of the OS. What doesn't work on IE9 for you? Which website that you regularly visit on your mobile?

I am probably being biased here. But even nowadays I have very bad experiences with IE on desktop. The simple perspective to use IE again, even on mobile, feels wrong to me.

Unless you can be more specific about what you think is broken for you as a user, I do think you are being unreasonably biased here.
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