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Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by kenjackson »

sjs wrote: post #69
rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

I like the data binding stuff but other than that I found XAML a huge pain. Lots of auto-generated stuff mixed in with stuff that I edit as well. It doesn't break but I'd rather have some separation between generated stuff and stuff that I write. (e.g. the generation gap pattern, often useful for models) Navigation is a blessing and a curse, some kind of modal view or overlay would ease the pain there. I don't know i…

The generated code is separated from code you write. In 99.9% of cases you should never even see the code that is generated. Your code should all be in files you explicitly create. And using patterns like MVVM will mean that you actually barely even touch code-behind files (although its OK if you do -- just it won't be necessary).

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

ticks wrote: post #96
recoiledsnake wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that very few would develop for Meego, even in the absence of WP7. As Nokia's CEO said, the smartphone game has changed from a battle of devices into a war of ecosystems.

At the moment WP7 is an obscure product, if Nokia successfully push the OS then Microsoft will gain hugely (being the owner of the platform), whereas Nokia will suddenly face competition from manufacturers with much smaller margins.

Agreed, that forces them to keep churning out designs products that the public perceive as premium and the competitors can't easily replicate.

They might then look at leveraging the right to modify the OS that no other OEM got, apart from a big bag of much needed cash from MS to survive this year without spiraling down in the face of marketshare losses, so I guess that evens it out a little.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by rdl »

larsberg wrote: post #91
rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

Developing for the platform is definitely trivial, as you mentioned (disclaimer: I worked at MSFT for years, but I've done an iOS app with over 1M downloads, so I've seen both). Owning the device is a pain, though. 1) Lack of apps. No Pandora. No Bump. No Uber. That trendy new mobile startup? Nope. I sincerely believe that nobody in any YC startup doing mobile even _has_ a Windows VM, except on the test team. 2) Qual…

I suspect Microsoft/BizSpark/Nokia could solve the "nobody in a YC startup doing mobile even has a windows phone" for about the cost of one person's salary for a year.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by contextfree »

nextparadigms wrote: post #2

Ouch. Are they implying the other WP7 phones are just cheap fakes? The other OEM's must not be too happy about this today. Why do I get the feeling the other OEM's were just "used" to help WP7 survive for another year until the "real" WP7 manufacturer arrives?

"they" = Nokia, not Microsoft

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by misterbwong »

Looks like a solid product. Not quite the halo product I was looking for from Nokia but the challenge now with WP7 is getting users and apps for their ecosystem.

Users won't come over until WP7 gets a feature that users can love and show off. Apple builds up a wow feature for pretty much every single iPhone launch: 2g: (revolutionary, at the time) iPhone OS, 3g/s: Apps, 4: Facetime, 4S: Siri. A fast and dedicated camera button (one of WP7's main selling points) doesn't cut it.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by john61 »

untog wrote: post #93
plq wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I have never owned a handset from a maker other than Nokia :) I just want you guys back to the smartphone game. > On the one hand, maintaining two OS teams for the same hardware would be a waste of resources. Nokia will have to make a very serious platform decision in the not-so-distant feature. If resources spent on developing both will place that decision on sound arguments, I say it could be worth it.…

The tech scene is not (yet) persuaded that Meego is a dead end Perhaps the tech scene isn't, but everyone else is. Aside from anyone else, phone operators really aren't going to be interested in stocking Meego handsets because no-one wants them or even knows what Meego is.

That's apparently wrong:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/20/n9-broke-pre-order-record...

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by john61 »

aninteger wrote: post #95
seltzered_ wrote: post #40

For t-mobile america users/cheapskates: it's quad-band 3G unlike the N9's penta-band 3G, so I don't see this phone selling on t-mobile at all. Too bad though, I've been wanting to replace my nexus one with a well-designed easily jailbreakable/sim-unlockable os.

Having owned S40 and S60 I doubt that any Nokia phone would be easily jailbreakable.

Just type

$ sudo gainroot

on any Nokia Maemo/MeeGo device

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by underwater »

larsberg wrote: post #91
rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

Developing for the platform is definitely trivial, as you mentioned (disclaimer: I worked at MSFT for years, but I've done an iOS app with over 1M downloads, so I've seen both). Owning the device is a pain, though. 1) Lack of apps. No Pandora. No Bump. No Uber. That trendy new mobile startup? Nope. I sincerely believe that nobody in any YC startup doing mobile even _has_ a Windows VM, except on the test team. 2) Qual…

I've always had both Windows Live and Gmail accounts hooked up on my LG, and I've never had the phone last less than a full day.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by barista »

achompas wrote: post #80
eis wrote: post #43

I hope they rename it for the spanish market: http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php

+1 to everyone else saying it's not a common word. My Cuban family and I certainly have never used it, and I don't know any other Hispanics/Latinos who have used it before.

It may not be a common word but the fact that it has such a negavtive meaning is not good for the brand particularly if its a name for the whole lineup and not just one device.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by brudgers »

macco wrote: post #100
brudgers wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Currently, the decision to drop Meego for WP platform is mostly based on "hopes and promises"." There's a long track record of successful B2B partnerships between Microsoft and hardware providers, a standardized hardware spec, an integrated lognterm roadmap, and a deep bench of talent in Redmond to provide support. On the other hand, Nokia woke up to find iOS eating their lunch and realized that OS development was…

Successful for Microsoft, indeed. How much money does Dell make on an average Laptop? Nokia should have taken the meego-road.

Dell had more operating income last year than eBay or Amazon or Adobe.

Michael Dell is worth $15 billion.

I guess we have different measures of success.

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