Left unstated is the assumption that Brahmins limit their discrimination to Dalits.
I'm not understanding the implication. Does it matter how limited the discrimination is?
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#172Is there a Wikipedia list of obscure 'race'-isms? I find reading about other cultures or other time period's biases to be informative and wonder what the common elements might be. Off the top of my head, issues I can think of where an outsider may be oblivious between the "sides" are: Indian caste Japanese Barukumin caste Protestant/Catholic in Europe Jewish people in Europe/US/USSR English Class System, or Southern/…
> list of obscure 'race'-isms The word you need is “xenophobia” (hate of the others, of those who are different). Race is a limited, artificial concept and by focusing on it we miss the forest for the trees. Xenophobia is as old as humanity and can be based on anything: physical features; ideas, religions, languages, family ties, etc.
Since when does '-phobia' mean 'hatred'? If I suffer from arachnophobia, do I hate spiders?
Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
#173Google has cancelled many discussions about various bias; their "Talks" have not been thought-provoking or even relevant for some years now, probably since middle management from other mediocre companies percolated the organization.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Don't both sides, there's no groups, the only military group there Americans are joining is the IDF.
Eh I'm sure you'll find a few American citizens fighting for various groups in Syria, Iraq, and Kurdistan, but that's besides my point.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if the Indian caste thing should be considered obscure. There are 1.3 billion Indians. By number of people affected it might be one of the more important conversations in the world today.
I think discussions of "obscurity" are always relative to the audience in question, so while I highly doubt caste discussions would reasonably be considered obscure in India (or within the Indian diaspora), I (a non-Indian) had certainly never heard of casteism abroad until I saw submissions on HN discussing it at Cisco.
Agreed. "Region specific" might be a better term for what the commenter intended
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#176> “We also made the decision to not move forward with the proposed talk which — rather than bringing our community together and raising awareness — was creating division and rancor,” Newberry wrote. This doesn't surprise me one bit. Even on HN, every thread on this topic turns into a flame war with a bunch of people crying racism/religionism. How dare we discuss something we don't fully understand? How dare we critic…
> every thread on this topic turns into a flame war with a bunch of people crying racism/religionism Is there a term for shutting down a discussion by turning the belligerence to eleven? Such that people outside the discussion tune out not the views of those being belligerent, but the discussion itself?
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The role of caste within the US is a super important conversation to have, and every resident of the US is entitled to participate, but there are a lot of people with a vested interest in shutting it down and the tools to do so. I don't believe HN's current moderation policies/leadership make this the place to have that conversation though. Participate in good faith all you want, you'll still earn a ban/warning for…
Yeah, giving the power of censorship to the masses leads to the opposite of free conversation. And these particular masses do indeed like to flag anything they disagree with. And that message, "You're replying too fast, slow down". Lol. What duplicity.
I've slowly come to the conclusion that it's a form of opinion-shaping. A huge number of people aren't particularly interested in what's true, they're interested in what's _popular_.
For argument's sake let's assume it's 80/20, with 10% on each side of a topic very passionate for their side. By banning and/or rate-limiting the 10% you dislike in any issue you can sway the 80% to follow the other side thus "manufacturing" the consensus.
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#178Left unstated is the assumption that Brahmins limit their discrimination to Dalits.
I'm not understanding the implication. Does it matter how limited the discrimination is?
The implication is that it's not limited. If they discriminate against Dalits, they probably discriminate against others too.
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#179The talk should have allowed to go through. The post I think said it right, people wanted to shut it down and the only way to do it is to discredit the speaker because they know there is truth to the arguments. However we should step back and think about how important it in the American context. What purpose is that talk going to serve? I don’t know if it does anything other than satisfying esoteric learning needs of…
Racism and bigotry are worth addressing at all levels, IMO. But I question your assumed figures: surely there are a lot more than 99 Indians of lower castes that are affected by caste-based bigotry in the US?
Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias
#180Is there a Wikipedia list of obscure 'race'-isms? I find reading about other cultures or other time period's biases to be informative and wonder what the common elements might be. Off the top of my head, issues I can think of where an outsider may be oblivious between the "sides" are: Indian caste Japanese Barukumin caste Protestant/Catholic in Europe Jewish people in Europe/US/USSR English Class System, or Southern/…
Lumping in hindu castes, Christian denominations, and Jewish people in what I assume is the beginning-mid 20th century, makes no sense. Yes, it all falls under xenophobia, but the impact are wildly different.
ZeroGravitas is asking people to come up with a list of situations that fall under xenophobia. I do not see them implying that those issues are related or comparable.