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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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A weak argument is a weak argument. Or are you saying brahmins and confederates have a lot in common and ought to spend more time together?

I'm saying folks who make excuses for historical and present day discrimination clearly have a lot of things in common.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Except racism (and "caste-based discrimination" is also racism) shouldn't be considered "politics", everybody should be able to agree that it doesn't have a place in a modern company.

"Except my special bugbear is special and should be exempt from basic social norms. Everyone should have to agree with me". The issue is that any and everything can be claimed to be racist, and therefore transferred to your special pre-political exemption.

Apart from the morality of the situation, the fact is that racial discrimination in the workplace is illegal in the US (and rightly so, in my opinion). Whether caste discrimination is a form of racial discrimination is the subject of current litigation in California. Given that there are legal requirements the company needs to stay in compliance with, this is squarely outside of "politics at work".

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This is what happens when a for profit company LARPs as an ethical one. On one hand they talk about diversity and on the other they desperately hire people they can pay less from areas of the world where "diversity is our strength" isn't really the norm. So in the end the company makes more money thanks to the cheap labor and it becomes even less inclusive and diverse.

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This is likely an example why it may not always be a great idea to discuss politics at work. I know a lot of us have strong personal opinions on a lot of subjects, but making sure everyone on my team aligns with my beliefs is likely not conducive to teamwork. Quite the opposite. If I was not an IC now, I would definitely be trying to cut discussions like that in a bud.

Except racism (and "caste-based discrimination" is also racism) shouldn't be considered "politics", everybody should be able to agree that it doesn't have a place in a modern company.

Having public messaging about negative social behavior often results in more of the negative behavior. Studies suggest lots of media about school shootings results in more school shootings. Similarly, messaging about getting help to reduce self-harm results in more self-harm. DARE resulted in no reductions in drug use.

If the people creating these programs/talks don't understand this, they don't deserve the platform. And if they do understand it, they are evil and intentionally trying to make race/bigotry tensions worse. In cases such as this where the relevant psychology of the issue is essential to the career, I tend to assume the worst of anyone doing it.

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"rather than bringing our community together and raising awareness — was creating division and rancor" Insert every social movement in the last 10 years. Absolutely hilarious that a company that goes out of it's way to participate in the US culture war identifies an actual systemic issue in the country where the CEO just happens to originate from, it is suddenly a divisive action to make half baked hyperbolic social…

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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Which would give grounds on the hiring manager front for investigating one's employer for de-facto blacklisting. Which is illegal. Just because someone points out the elrphant in the room at a workplace does not make them "radioactive". Quite the opposite. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Organizing a labor protest because of unfair working conditions, or as an attempt to unionize, is "protected" by US regulations (not necessarily laws). Organizing a labor protest because of a (real or perceived) culture of sexual harassment is not. If she had a valid and provable claim of wrongdoing, she should have approached an attorney and sued Google to elicit change (and maybe some compensation). I believe I read that her protest was staged to "bring awareness" to the issue. If you were an employer (regardless of your views on the topic), would this be okay with you?

The same thing goes for trying to organize a meeting with a speaker who will talk about the caste system in Silicon Valley. Yeah, caste == bad, but is the employer obligated to host such a meeting (at their expense)? Obviously she could rent a venue and invite others to the presentation on their own time, but why must Google submit to her demands for them to pay for it?

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Not just caste discrimination, but also sexism. I have worked at least three companies where if there were Indian women, the vast majority were in QA.

There are people in QA who are Patel. We have women from India who work at all levels, from ED to L1. All pillars are necessary. The biggest problem I've encountered is that they are sometimes socially isolated because Western colleagues don't know how to approach them, when they're really easy to talk to and have a lot to say!

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> Maybe, Google, instead of just giving up you should be asking why a speaker on Dalit rights and inclusion is causing "division and rancor" in your community? Or is that also a difficult conversation you'd rather not have? The same reason speakers on Palestinian rights often can. While they may be on the right side of the issue, it's also very easy for closed discussion spaces to rapidly devolve into pretty viciousl…

Would you dismiss Martin Luther King as an “activist”? But your point is in some ways valid, as it’s important to be able to see Israel through the lens of colonialism and to show that the state’s brutality applied to brown people of all faiths, including Jews. I also find it really strange that any criticism of Israel is labelled as anti-Semitic. I actually think equating the brutal behaviour of the Israeli governme…

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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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>There are people in QA who are Patel What does this mean? I thought Patel was a surname.

https://archive.ph/K9lux / https://theprint.in/india/who-are-patels-and-how-they-have-b...

Fascinating, thanks. What's the closest parallel in the Western world?
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