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Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by Throwawayaerlei » Mon, May 30, 2022, 1:29 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #58

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's fine, but how many babies need that kind of formula? And parents with babies that do need that kind of formula are probably well aware of that. If you Google "how to make homemade baby formula", basically every article is how experts strongly recommend against it. And there are articles like "Why following TikTok influencers' baby formula recipes is a terrible idea." No shit following TikTok baby formu…

A baby dying of starvation is probably much worse than the risk of giving it wrong formula. And have you ever heard a hungry baby crying? It's not something you can wait long for.

Elsewhere in this discussion there's a Reddit posting by a pediatrician https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/uvcijm/a_pediatri.... Under four months, home made formula:

"Often has a dangerously different osmolality. Infants eat whatever they are given and have dumb kidneys, so are prone to hyponatremia or hypernatremia and every pediatrician has seen a baby die this way. Don’t do it."

See that and other discussions here about the differences between infant (above) and toddler formula.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by lotusmars » Mon, May 30, 2022, 1:33 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #304

I keep seeing articles referencing that Russia is blockading Ukraine's ports. As far as I can tell, that is completely untrue. Russia still allows shipping in the Black Sea in what they call a humanitarian corridor which is "a safe lane south-west of Ukraine's territorial sea, 80 nautical miles long and 3 nautical miles wide, from 08:00 to 19:00" The reason ships can not dock at Ukrainian ports is "Ukraine’s ports ar…

> "Ukraine’s ports are at MARSEC (maritime security) level 3 and remain closed for entry and exit. Sea mines have been laid in port approaches and some port exits are blocked by sunken barges and cranes."

So yeah, this quote literally says that ports are blocked because of war Putin wages on Ukraine.

Putin just loves this logic. "I'm not blockading anyone! Feel free to pass to a war-ravaged occupied region with active warfare going on. Everyone who is saying otherwise is a gay Nazi and should look at both sides".

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by Throwawayaerlei » Mon, May 30, 2022, 1:34 PM UTC

SkyPuncher wrote: post #292

h2odragon wrote: post #105

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Goats milk

Which is associated with anemia in infants....

In the pediatrician's advice I link to in this subthread, there's a "Common mistakes to be aware of at all ages" section, and about that:

"Goat's milk contains very little folate and its use as a primary calorie source causes megaloblastic anemia."

Cows milk over 32 oz/day will cause iron deficiency, and "In children this is a hypercoagulable state and can cause cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. I have see this."

Substitutes for human milk designed for human consumption turn out not to be trivial.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by lotusmars » Mon, May 30, 2022, 1:40 PM UTC

tomjen3 wrote: post #112

DeathArrow wrote: post #104

This might mean new waves of immigration from Middle East and Africa to Europe. The last ones caused some stirring. I expect a new wave will cause, too. So we can see some pressure from European governments for finding solutions to end the war.

That should be no problem: stop them at the border.

Putin's media will go into a frenzy. You will have Petersburg trolls posting all over the Reddit "spiteful gay Europeans leave refugees to death, so much for European tolerance!"

On the other hand if you let them in, Putin's media will go out of its way to stage provocations or pay some of the refugees to wreak havoc. "Your governments are letting in rapists, so much for European tolerance!"

They'll love it either way. The only way around it is to sink Black Sea fleet and prevent the whole famine from happening.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by phpisthebest » Mon, May 30, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #361

phpisthebest wrote: post #220

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globalism sure... capitalism... that would require a more nuance explanation of what you mean by "capitalism" since that is huge subject often misused by people that do no understand that all ownership of private capital and means of production is "capitalism" under which there can be good and bad effects. So blaming "capitalism" for anything likely means the person is ignorant on the topic of economics, or is speaki…

> since that is huge subject often misused by people that do no understand that all ownership of private capital and means of production is "capitalism" under which there can be good and bad effects. I would argue that this misses the point. Capitalism isn't just a pile of physical capital. If it was, it would be impossible to result in oppression since physical capital must be maintained and it can be reproduced. No…

>>It would be more appropriate to call "capitalism" the obsession to put the interests of capital and its owners above all other interests. This means, capital should be allowed to override the basic needs of other humans. Capital should have the right to deny others the ability to obtain shelter or food.

Completely incorrect, unless you completely perverse the idea of capitalism which I suspect you are attempting with disingenuous argumentation and emotional rhetoric

Capitalism, on its own, does not result in "oppression" as that requires external non-economic factors often based around government for oppression to occur.

Also I am not jealous Jeff Bezoz, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, or any other rich person at all, in either strawman you have presented here

>>If capital overrides all your decisions, how can you consider yourself free? How can a society where only one special groups interests are being heard, call itself free?

I have not contradicted myself at all, you have massively over reached and attributed positions to me well outside that of my comment. Further you have now confused capitalism, an economic system, with government power.

The only way for "only one special groups interests are being heard" would be for government to impose that restriction upon the population, that has nothing to do with capitalism.

>>You are confusing market economies with capitalism

Market economies, including Free Market Economies are part of a capitalist economic system, so if you believe they are not I point you back to my original comment. A Free Market is capitalism, So is Crony Capitalism, but Crony Capitalism is not a Free Market.

Stated Differently, All free markets are capitalist economies, but not all capitalist economies are Free Markets.

I support free market capitalism

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by anamax » Mon, May 30, 2022, 2:02 PM UTC

vstck17 wrote: post #322

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #309

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Then the government will need to admit much of a price tag is taxes, probably 1st after taxes.

In the US, the federal gas tax has been 18.4 cents per gallon since 1993. If anything, they are losing money with inflation and the decreased demand that higher fuel prices will create.

States also charge tax on gas.

For example, California charges both $0.539 per gallon AND sales tax. The latter varies based on city/county/district and is charged on the "after per-gallon tax" price.

The total sales tax in San Jose is 9.375%, so $6.50 at the pump includes $0.557 in sales tax. (The "at the pump" price includes sales tax.)

That's a total of $1.096/g state and local for $6.50/g at the pump.

Add in the federal $0.184/g and the total tax is $1.28/g on $6.50/g gas in San Jose.

There may also be permit fees.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by SkyPuncher » Mon, May 30, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #277

oneoff786 wrote: post #261

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It’s crazy that in the face of health authorities saying don’t do this, it’s dangerous, your reaction is “prove it”, rather than doing some research on your own to counter your skepticism. The lack of trust in public institutions is deeply saddening. The problem with baby formula is that it needs to contain precise balances of nutrition in specific forms that can be absorbed by the body in specific ways. Much in the…

> It’s crazy that in the face of health authorities saying don’t do this, it’s dangerous, your reaction is “prove it”, rather than doing some research on your own to counter your skepticism. The lack of trust in public institutions is deeply saddening. I 100% disagree. I'm not an idiot. I can read a recipe, even a complicated recipe. And I'm not even saying they're wrong. I'm just asking for some simple example of wh…

> I 100% disagree. I'm not an idiot. I can read a recipe, even a complicated recipe

This thread has shown me how many people think baby formula is just some complex recipe that requires pureeing the correct vegetables in the correct ratios.

Making infant formula is more akin to making medicine/drug than table food.

We have home drugs (meth, heroin, cocaine, etc). Yes, they can be made safely, but they often not.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, May 30, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #350

tomjen3 wrote: post #110

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>lots of low quality carbs with cheap fat and artificial flavorings and not a whole lot of nutritional value. > So, low quality industrial food products getting more expensive isn't necessarily a bad thing. It might prompt people to spend their money more wisely Everything is getting more expensive, so people will focus even more on buying cheap.

My point is that buying smart actually means you get more for less. People buy the easy stuff which tends to be priced accordingly.

With respect, you don't get more for less unless you are willing to forgo meat and make your own from scratch semi-vegan options.

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Post by lobocinza » Mon, May 30, 2022, 3:00 PM UTC

copperx wrote: post #335

lobocinza wrote: post #331

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If it isn't balanced it can lead to health issues on the long term.

Nutrient deficiencies are associated with a longer lifespan, so I'm not sure there's a real reason for concern.

Interesting, can you provide a source? I suspect you may be referring to calorie restricted and not nutrient deficient diets. The former may lead to a longer lifespan and a better health but the latter will lead to health issues or at least degrade your quality of life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction#Life_exten...

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by guerrilla » Mon, May 30, 2022, 3:02 PM UTC

usrn wrote: post #364

guerrilla wrote: post #342

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Our people are doing pretty well here in northern Europe. We've taken good care of them and of course we can always do better and I'm sure we will do so in the future. In the meantime, I think we should also help other people when we can afford to do so. I think it's cruel not to do so and I think it's in everyone's self-interest to promote the helping of others when we can afford to do so because we may some day nee…

It's possible that these policies are a large part of why Northern Europe is doing so well. The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries. People keep calling it colonialism though.

It's not possible. 1/11th of our population in Sweden has an immigrant background and we have a far higher standard of living than most of the planet, including the US.

> The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries

What do you live in hole or something? They're coming because they cannot survive in their own countries due to war, genocide, famine and other very serious problems that cannot be solved anytime soon. Get real.