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Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture
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Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
In chess this is nothing new as humans have been using chess engines to discover new opening tactics for the last couple of decades. Chess engines used to be at forefront of Artificial Intelligence research but now it’s not fashionable to even call them “AI” anymore - they are just “engines” - tools.
AI is only in fashion for technology once it isn't bleeding edge. Also, MuZero (the latest in similar game engines that were started from AlphaGo) can learn the game by itself without knowing the rules or having any opening books or Go data which is very different than how traditional Chess engines operate.
This "Zero-knowledge" style program, be it AlphaZero or MuZero and whatever, is a bad meme.
Adding in little bits of knowledge, such as liberties counting, ladder-reading, and other tricks, allows KataGo to absolutely crush LeelaZero in training speed and practical play in the game of Go. Its no comparison.
These days, no one studying the game of Go is seriously using LeelaZero anymore. Its an obsolete methodology compared to KataGo.
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#43This feels like a bit of light speculation at the moment, but I do agree with the point and think it will have an interesting effect on collective human behavior. I like the example of AlphaGo discovering new moves that then became popular because this is an example of an AI discovery, not a another human writing the rules of engagement that other humans follow. So to take this further, what if Imagen discovers a new…
> Sci-fi had me trained that AIs would be intelligent, incapable of lying, humor or art.
You must have been reading a different set of books from me. Even Asimov's robots constrained by the three laws manage to lie.
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#44This feels like a bit of light speculation at the moment, but I do agree with the point and think it will have an interesting effect on collective human behavior. I like the example of AlphaGo discovering new moves that then became popular because this is an example of an AI discovery, not a another human writing the rules of engagement that other humans follow. So to take this further, what if Imagen discovers a new…
I've mentioned this before - I'm using the melodies I've created together with my AI songwriting assistant as input for further training. This requires human judgement and I only have around 100 melodies that I've judged as good. But the training set is small, so together with "bad" melodies, this already makes a difference. I don't know if I'm the first to do this for AI art and be able to say that there is a differ…
You mention “further training” but im curious for what: Is this expanding a data set for AI or is it for you as a musician?
Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
In chess this is nothing new as humans have been using chess engines to discover new opening tactics for the last couple of decades. Chess engines used to be at forefront of Artificial Intelligence research but now it’s not fashionable to even call them “AI” anymore - they are just “engines” - tools.
AI is only in fashion for technology once it isn't bleeding edge. Also, MuZero (the latest in similar game engines that were started from AlphaGo) can learn the game by itself without knowing the rules or having any opening books or Go data which is very different than how traditional Chess engines operate.
> can learn the game by itself without knowing the rules
In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky.
“I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied.
“Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky.
“I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes.
“Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
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#46Isn't this exactly what is causing the political divide everywhere? Where segments of the population are living in completely different universes crafted by AI/algorithms and where everyone seems to not understand and despise the other side? Someone should make a terminator movie where the AI wins just by slowly making us all kill each other by feeding us a little bit of bullshit every day for a few years.
Sounds like something for love, death, and robots season 4. The AI slowly convinces everyone that they hate their immediate neighbor, or that their neighbor is plotting against them. The AI uses a complex decision forest in order to optimally eliminate all pairs of humans.
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#47People anthropomorphizing AI and me not having any control over the sense making madness that these advancements could grow into scares me almost as much if not more than any real AGI invention.
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#48People anthropomorphizing AI and me not having any control over the sense making madness that these advancements could grow into scares me almost as much if not more than any real AGI invention.
There's a sense in which I agree and sense in which I disagree. I think we can coherently attribute intention to self-organizing and self-controlling systems as long as we expand the notion of "agent-hood" to be unnaturally broad, and then consider anthropomorphising as a subclass. But then we'd also have to consider "plantapomorphising", "canidpomorphising" as analogous effects of projecting the properties of what it means to be one kind of agent onto another.
I don't find this repugnant. We don't fully understand or control the conditions of plant growth or dog raising. But in both cases we have developed deep enough understandings of the self-organizing properties of either system (to be clinical), to both allow for their lives to be lived, yet at least within the guidelines we set for their evolution; both in breeding and in facilitation and stewardship.
The difference with AI is the depth of legibility that we assume is feasible due to its formal and symbolic nature, yet the paradox of its unpredictability and adaptability that we want (to a degree), were it to solve useful problems for us. And due to the sheer efficiency and power a scaled up deep learning system has, the kind of intentionality it can produce (were it be able to be said to have any intentionality at all) would be so foreign as to be naively inconceivable and strange.
Limiting ourselves to formal and systemic descriptions will help sustain our sanity for sure. But if we do pass the threshold of AGI (even of subhuman intelligence) we will need to consider the magisterial debates of whether or not machines of silico nature are distinguishable in meaningful ways from those of flesh, and whether a Butlerian Jihad is the answer to keep the supremacy of flesh in play. These choices of stewardship and scale integration are unique to our species.
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#49Lol, Vice.
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#50AI is made by humans to be something between a pet and a parent holding their infant-creator‘s hand and controlling their life. In any case, as a product of humans, whatever an AI created is transitively created by humans as well. Thus, all culture AI creates, or is responsible for, is human culture.