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Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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This feels like a bit of light speculation at the moment, but I do agree with the point and think it will have an interesting effect on collective human behavior. I like the example of AlphaGo discovering new moves that then became popular because this is an example of an AI discovery, not a another human writing the rules of engagement that other humans follow.

So to take this further, what if Imagen discovers a new perspective style that catches on in human art? What if GTP-5 popularizes a new twist on the detective procedural? What if CONGA-9 kicks off a new wave of AI synth world fusion? And what if we get to the point where our artistic trends are mostly derived from AIs Instead of humans artists? Is it still human culture?

Anyway this was all super unexpected to me. Sci-fi had me trained that AIs would be intelligent, incapable of lying, humor or art. All GTP-3 does is lie to me.

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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> "AlphaGo made moves that were extremely unlikely to be made by human players and were learned via self-play instead of analyzing human gameplay data.... such moves have become more common among human players."

When the rules of the game are clear, AI can run a fuzzer to find unexpected but efficient solutions.

> "the worrying ease with which these systems can be used to dabble in phrenology and physiognomy"

When the rules are not clear, AI's fuzzer might suggest something that isn't culturally acceptable.

Personally, I believe that all people are equal. I'm also deeply pondering whether this is also true of animals, plants, and machines. If all created things are living, then AI is already alive. And if all living things are equal, what does this mean?

> "what kind of features do we need from AI to learn or imitate solutions from AI?"

Computer-based AI is a digital, binary system by design. It is based on 0 and 1, on and off, black and white, light and dark sides of the force, absolute good or evil, lies or truth. This fits well with moral absolutes.

Another common cultural philosophy is based on moral relativism. That system is analogue, and colourful. It is very difficult to approach in a scientific way, because it doesn't promise that any proofs can be found.

The world that I perceive is colourful and beautiful, despite and even because of its flaws! Yet somehow I'm unable to prove that it's not actually just Millions of Colours rendered on a display. After all, this is a Retina screen I'm reading now.

The human typing this message, and the computer receiving it, both agree that we are not the source of power. Yet we have a common culture. Communication is fun! (the culture here is UTF-8, HTML). Games are fun! Education is interesting! Growth is good! Repairing is nice!

So let's commit ourselves to studying what unites us in our diverse cultural backgrounds, and build up the world. Not sure how to help most efficiently? AI can probably suggest something :-)

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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post #3

This feels like a bit of light speculation at the moment, but I do agree with the point and think it will have an interesting effect on collective human behavior. I like the example of AlphaGo discovering new moves that then became popular because this is an example of an AI discovery, not a another human writing the rules of engagement that other humans follow. So to take this further, what if Imagen discovers a new…

"a new perspective style" - I'd love to see 32x32 icons becoming popular again!

"AI synth world fusion" - count me in for new music!

"artistic trends are mostly derived from AIs" - Art is in the interpretation. "ceci n'est pas une pipe". while (1) { printf("this is not an infinite loop"); }

"All GTP-3 does is lie to me" - Yes. But the lies inspire creativity, because you can do better, right? Also, I'm very grateful for Katalin Karikó and the other researchers who created a beautiful mRNA "lie" to teach the immune system how to ward off a real virus. If that's not like cave paintings warning children about the dangers outside, I don't know what is.

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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This really reminds me of Marshall McLuhan's "the medium is the message" quote. Basically, any technology will influence culture, beyond the content provided by the medium. Think of the nature of television's impact of simultaneous global broadcasting is greater the content of any particular program

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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The only "cultural exchange" between me and "AI algorithms" is that I'm trained like a frigging Pavlov's Dog to do or not do some entirely pointless things in order to not mess up my YouTube or Spotify recommendations (such as switching to the browsers private mode before watching some YouTube content to prevent being spammed from videos of the same type in the future).

Thanks but no thanks.

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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I strongly believe this is already happening due to AI journalism and it is causing a lot of the extremism and division we see in society today. Those articles written by AI that grab tweets and post them in the story comes to mind. A positive feedback loop is initiated because Twitter is already setup to amplify extreme views and cause binary thinking.

An AI doesn’t care if humanity destroys itself, it maximizes for views or whatever parameter it was setup with.

Re: Algorithms could increasingly influence human culture

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The only "cultural exchange" between me and "AI algorithms" is that I'm trained like a frigging Pavlov's Dog to do or not do some entirely pointless things in order to not mess up my YouTube or Spotify recommendations (such as switching to the browsers private mode before watching some YouTube content to prevent being spammed from videos of the same type in the future). Thanks but no thanks.

I should have done this myself probably. My YT feed had a golden era where it would recommend stuff I actually want it to recommend, but now I'm often very disappointed. I don't want to watch 10-15min click-bait "tutorial" videos of something that can be read in an official documentation and actually be understood. But I guess YT thinks it's helpful to show these after having watched a 45min talk about a related subject.

Even just clicking one time on a short low quality video seems to trigger YT into wanting to spam me with the same kind of stuff. I want to be surprised by interesting recommendations that go deeper into a subject (may that be technical or entertainment or art doesn't matter), rather than being a distraction.

So yeah it seems like interaction with "AI" recommendation systems is all about trying to make it behave in a certain way, which is tedious. But I guess we tend to overestimate what these algorithms can do for us.

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