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Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by peytoncasper »

chroem- wrote: post #39
hugh-avherald wrote: post #32

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Your complaint appears to be "funding is a constraint on research".

By default, Google will not allow you to access GPU instances on regular GCP. The GPU quota is initialized to zero and you have to open a support ticket in order to request GPU access, justifying why your use case deserves access. Evidently, "personal research project" is not a valid use case, so that leaves Colab as the only other option in the Google ecosystem. AWS has a similar quota policy, but they seem less str…

I'm not so sure this is true. I was able to get access to a GPU quota of 1 on GCP within 2 minutes. I highly doubt anyone reviewed what I wrote. I'm not sure how many you were requesting access to, but I suspect the main reason for gating higher counts are cost related. Quite obviously they are not cheap.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by edmundsauto »

DarylZero wrote: post #26
mark_l_watson wrote: post #6

It is their right to ban any use they want. Colab is an awesome service, so much so that I seldom use my at-home GPU rig. As consumers we can use or not use platforms like Google, Twitter, etc. as we like, or not. Colab’s ban will be good for small 3rd party GPU cloud providers and that is a good thing. Same thing with Twitter: in the last month there is now better material on Mastodon.

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This is not an appropriate response - it does not advance the conversation, and is clearly derogatory towards OP. Try to do better next time.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by filoleg »

endisneigh wrote: post #42
fartcannon wrote: post #41

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Nobody said anything about private or public. What was said was 'everything they can get their hands on'. Thou doth protest too much.

everything they can get their hands on includes both private and public data? they have access to the private data, by definition. the entire point is that it's not exposed nor is it used. clearly you've never worked at one of the companies in question lol. when you're on-call you might need to actually access private data. true data sovereignty products are something countries in the EU are wanting USA companies to…

> when you're on-call you might need to actually access private data.

When I was on-call and had to dive deep to solve customers' issues at one of those companies, we could only access anonymized data stripped of all PII (including emails and even IP addresses), to the point where the only non-scrambled things we could get were timestamps and error stacktraces/executed commands (which were also stripped of all PII, which made debugging a bit more difficult).

And every instance of access to that anonymized no-PII data required a physical authenticator, and it would automatically send an email to your manager (and some mailing group, i forgot) and create a special log that indicated "such and such was trying to access this anonymized ABC data for XYZ stated purpose".

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by [deleted] »

endisneigh wrote: post #37
Datenstrom wrote: post #31

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I'd be shocked if they weren't, it seems like a totally standard big corp playbook move. It would be the same exact thing Amazon was doing with their independent seller data[1]. [1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its...

that's not the same thing, since it's public info.

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Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

rslyr633 wrote: post #11
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #8

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It turns out that nature doesn't make SAAS This is an extremely expensive service to make and run, requiring tens of millions of dollars of hardware to get started, and doesn't produce revenue Instead of folksy sayings, see if you can answer the actual question What motivation does another company have for creating this service?

>What motivation does another company have for creating this service? They won't need to create this deepfake training specifically, they just need to turn a blind eye to their existing hardware being applied this way. Three motivations come to mind: 1. It's a convenient selling point to grow the user base. "We give you complete freedom to run your models and don't spy on you like the other guys do! We will never sto…

I feel like you're completely missing the point of what I said

1. Not really

2. What?

3. No you don't

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

machinekob wrote: post #9
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #8

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It turns out that nature doesn't make SAAS This is an extremely expensive service to make and run, requiring tens of millions of dollars of hardware to get started, and doesn't produce revenue Instead of folksy sayings, see if you can answer the actual question What motivation does another company have for creating this service?

Make people depends on ecosystem. I'll see AWS/Azure/NVIDIA doing smth like that as that just to create they own ecosystem as its extremely profitable to sell gpu VM's for them.

Have you ever used colab? It's free

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

loo wrote: post #47
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out that nature doesn't make SAAS This is an extremely expensive service to make and run, requiring tens of millions of dollars of hardware to get started, and doesn't produce revenue Instead of folksy sayings, see if you can answer the actual question What motivation does another company have for creating this service?

> turns out that nature doesn't make SAAS E pur si existit.

Quidquid Latin dictum sit does not, it turns out, altum sonatur

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by jph00 »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #24
version_five wrote: post #5

I have wondered in the past what kind of monitoring / data harvesting google is doing with colab. I don't use them for anything nontrivial or work related precisely because I worry about google stealing my stuff or that I would be violating agreements with my customers by exposing their data to google. This story reinforces that they are snooping. That aside, I don't think I find this too upsetting. They don't let pe…

Is there a good alternative to Colab you can just pay for, that's good for hobbyist individuals? Especially one that gives you shell access? I tried using PaperSpace for a while but it works maybe 1 in 3 times I tried to use it, they (temporarily) banned me for no reason, they send me "itemized" bills with empty line items, and their support was no help.

PaperSpace has improved a lot in the last few months. I've been using them nearly exclusively recently and have had zero issues.

They provide persistent storage and access to the full JupyterLab or Jupyter Notebook software, unlike Colab. I find this makes life far easier, since all my normal terminal workflows work fine.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by jph00 »

albert_e wrote: post #34
ClassyJacket wrote: post #24

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Is there a good alternative to Colab you can just pay for, that's good for hobbyist individuals? Especially one that gives you shell access? I tried using PaperSpace for a while but it works maybe 1 in 3 times I tried to use it, they (temporarily) banned me for no reason, they send me "itemized" bills with empty line items, and their support was no help.

- Amazon Sagemaker Studio Lab (free, email signup, no AWS account or credit card required) paid services on AWS: - Amazon Sagemaker Studio - Amazon Sagemaker Notebook Instances (think EC2 + jupyter + integration with AWS services)

Studio Lab doesn't have any GPU instances available in practice, unfortunately. They're permanently out of resources at the moment. The other two options are pretty expensive.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by fxtentacle »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #24
version_five wrote: post #5

I have wondered in the past what kind of monitoring / data harvesting google is doing with colab. I don't use them for anything nontrivial or work related precisely because I worry about google stealing my stuff or that I would be violating agreements with my customers by exposing their data to google. This story reinforces that they are snooping. That aside, I don't think I find this too upsetting. They don't let pe…

Is there a good alternative to Colab you can just pay for, that's good for hobbyist individuals? Especially one that gives you shell access? I tried using PaperSpace for a while but it works maybe 1 in 3 times I tried to use it, they (temporarily) banned me for no reason, they send me "itemized" bills with empty line items, and their support was no help.

You could use my Colab imitation docker image on OVH: https://hub.docker.com/r/fxtentacle/ovh-colab-sagemaker-comp...

OVH charges $2 per hour for a V100S

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