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What is the conservative solution to this issue?
Shitting in front of liberals' homes to convert them into conservatives.
or at least shitting in their backyards to convert them into NIMBYs
S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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If SF was attractive, then people would want to remotely work from SF. But it isn't. So, they're leaving. On the other hand San Diego seems to be blowing up.
If SF was unattractive, it wouldn't cost $2,500-$3,000 to live in mediocre housing with 6 housemates. Even people that don't have high paying tech jobs are lining up to pay these kinds of insane prices. They don't want to pay the prices, but it's worth it to live in an area like SF. One of the only places on the planet in human history that people put this much energy and money into just living somewhere.
Obviously there is some level of demand to live in SF, and that's part of the explanation for the high cost of living.
But the factor really driving up rent and real estate prices is the massive resistance in SF and the Bay Area in general to building new housing.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
#193If you compare rent trends of SF vs NYC or LA https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/san-francisco-ca https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/new-york-ny https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/los-angeles-ca You'll notice a huge difference between in SF and the other cities. Rent prices still hasn't gone back to pre pandemic level.
Other cities seem like they have more diversified local economies than SF. Probably there are more people with the flexibility to work from home working in the bay area than in these other places.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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I haven't seen any data to support "roaring back". 6-ish months ago they were still saying SF rents were down 20% from March 2020. Any idea how many rentals aren't rentals anymore because of the moratorium impact? I know up here in Portland there was a huge net reduction of rentals and prices spiked pretty hard. For example: https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/ca/sa... https://therealdeal.com/sanfr…
Here's rent data for SF: https://www.rent.com/california/san-francisco-apartments/ren... Avg. Rent Annual Change Studio $2,911 +17% 1 Bed $3,520 +12% 2 Beds $4,593 +6% 3 Beds $5,701 +8%
So if the average is say 12% increase (which is what rent.com says right now)...that still means SF is lower than before COVID started. Not to mention that the most cities are seeing off the charts numbers compared to SF right now.
https://www.rent.com/research/average-rent-price-report/
36% increase in Portland, 112% increase in Austin, 36% in Miami.
But please, feel free to down vote me for using data.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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I agree but I think this also understates the importance of just how messed up SF has become. I don't want to come into contact with human feces as part of my daily commute. I'm going to leave no matter what once that is the case. Especially when the equity in my two bedroom apartement is enough to buy the nicest house ever built in some other smaller city.
I didn't mention this in my comment as it was more about the broad trends in every city rather than SF/NYC specifically. Typically for a group that got tired of a city and moved out, there would be a new group that is ready to fill their place. Thing is no one wants to move to SF given the situation (crime, COL, homeless, etc). Now for all the folks that will say "it's not that bad" I say that it doesn't really matte…
I think you're right about perception to people considering going there. But I really think it just comes down to cost. Cities have gotten exorbitantly expensive.
It doesn't make financial sense to stay in SF if you're salary stays the same in Texas and your company is remote. Unless there is some specific reason to live there - you like the vibe, or it's where you were born, or some other reason (weather).
I think it's good that we have this shakeup. Change is a good thing, and I think a lot of cities need some change.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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He doesn't live in San Francisco but is claiming that if he commuted to work he would always see human feces on the ground. He provides no evidence, not even a personal experience
What do you want? Pictures? This is commonly known to be an issue there. If I was there right now, I'd say give me 5 minutes and I'll post a picture. Was in SF last week. If you do a lot of walking there, you WILL see not only a shit, but someone actively shitting. Edit: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=b6fab72091...
Granted I've only spent about 6 months of my life living in SF, but I did a decent amount of walking around and never saw human feces.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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Even if you like San Francisco on balance, it's hard not to ask yourself if you like it so much that you're OK with paying for some of the most expensive housing in the country when you don't have a reason you have to be there.
This is not a strategy for everyone, but I definitely pay less in SF than I would in most cities because I know people willing to live with me long-term (and split rent) here. Generally it's easier in SF to find a roommate who is high-earning and willing to split an apartment or house compared to other cities, where similar people would just pay a little more to get their own place.
Splitting rent among roommates is not specific to San Francisco, it's common to cities with expensive housing. LA, Miami, NYC, San Diego, etc. all have high proportions of adults living with roommates (https://porch.com/advice/cities-whose-residents-likely-live-...).
Having roommates certainly helps save money, but it remains true that you and your roommates are paying for some of the most expensive housing in the country.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
#198San Francisco is the dirtiest city I have ever seen. It doesn’t seem like a great place to spend 1 million dollars on a house unless you work there.
I thought NYC was the dirtiest place I've ever seen, sounds like there's competition!
Neither are as dirty as New Orleans. There's trash, there's excrement, then there is rotting catfish and shellfish on top of the trash and excrement and it just sits stewing in stagnant, humid, swampy and hot air.
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
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I thought NYC was the dirtiest place I've ever seen, sounds like there's competition!
Neither are as dirty as New Orleans. There's trash, there's excrement, then there is rotting catfish and shellfish on top of the trash and excrement and it just sits stewing in stagnant, humid, swampy and hot air.
I was actually going to go there last year for a show, until nature decided to try and destroy it again (though I hear the hurricane wasn’t too bad)
Re: S.F. population fell 6.3%, most in nation, to lowest level since 2010
#200Keep going. Needs to drop another 50% or so.
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