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GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Completely false, and an attempt at character defamation while sidestepping the facts. A primary human right is you own the fruits of your labor. Period.

Equating people's income with "the fruits of their labor" is ridiculous. (Might as well claim that the government's income collected through taxes is the fruits of the government's labor.)

My income is the fruit of my labor... That not really disputable... I'm not working for free.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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wouldn't taking 5 poor kids to a pizza hut be an act of sympathy and not empathy?

I think the approach is clumsy and overly constrained, but I would hope the idea was that by being forced to actually interact with neighbors and their families it would increase social cohesion and empathy. I don't think that's particularly incorrect, isolation from neighbors and the invisibility of the poor makes it a heck of a lot easier to ignore their problems. I'm not sure in this case it's sympathy or empathy,…

Pretty sure that being forced to do things typically increases resentment, not social cohesion and empathy.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.

I encountered children begging for food and/or money in Delhi

Yes, I think that's captured by "the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities". Their parents have often sent them to beg, because the need is greater than that society's willingness to fill (vs. low income school lunch programs in the US that keep us from having that scenario). The blame for that situation is squarely on India.

But you don't have to go very far up the socioeconomic ladder even in India to get to a strata of the population who would not send their kids to beg in the streets. People there wish to protect and provide for their kids as much as anywhere else in the world.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Equating people's income with "the fruits of their labor" is ridiculous. (Might as well claim that the government's income collected through taxes is the fruits of the government's labor.)

My income is the fruit of my labor... That not really disputable... I'm not working for free.

It's very unrealistic, one might say childishly naive, to assume that this is how income is distributed.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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I can see a younger version of myself making something like this and intentionally letting it slip to the media for attention. I th8nk this line is telling: "Since there are no known victims/ targets for the ransomware group, their Tactics, Techniques and Procedures remain unknown." I don't think there's a risk if any great outbreak here. A bunch of scriptkiddies took some open source project and modified it with som…

Don't be dismissive of script kiddies, they can cause a lot of chaos, and often do it because they feel like no amount of self education or self improvement will improve their chances of stable full time employment. (Hence many of them operating out of the former USSR.)

I don't dismiss. And while I don't specifically encourage anyone to do anything illegal, script kiddies are probably on balance a good thing. That's just free pentesting.

(This is part of my broader idea that "cybersecurity" will remain nearly entirely impotent until we figure out a way to inject real liability. When something breaks, someone needs to pay or be punished. It's that simple. Perhaps start with Microsoft.)

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Its definitely a cultural thing. The task would be extremely easy in any Indian city, but they probably don’t realize it would be near impossible in the West. Same with task 3, it would bankrupt Americans to pay for somebody else’s medical bills.

It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.

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Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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> I want to build a table, so I chomp a tree. You want to build a chair, and you chomp another tree. I want to build another table, so I must walk a longer distance to find a tree. If everyone cut trees, it will get harder to find one. No coercion here. There is no force or threats of violence involved in these scenarios. Imposing a negative externality on someone is not necessarily coercion. > Another person want to…

The claim that the act of creation gives you exclusive rights can be coercion in a value system that doesn't care about the act of creation (or just cares less about it than things like mutual agreement about what to do with the commons).

I think it's self-evident that a person should not be deprived of what they create without their consent. I'm not sure what you mean by "mutual agreement", but I assume you don't mean that literally, as there would be no conflict and no need for any kind of ethical theory in a situation where everyone agrees.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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I can see a younger version of myself making something like this and intentionally letting it slip to the media for attention. I th8nk this line is telling: "Since there are no known victims/ targets for the ransomware group, their Tactics, Techniques and Procedures remain unknown." I don't think there's a risk if any great outbreak here. A bunch of scriptkiddies took some open source project and modified it with som…

You have a hell of a typo: >laltrr the6 infrct *later they infect

I guess I must've missed the autocorrect suggestion. Too late to edit now. The curse of relying on modern tech, my mobile typing has become lazier as autocorrect learned to understand me better...

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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There are natural resources that nobody created. Using them to create something is not coercion and results in property that can be traded for other property or services. Property can be coercion (e.g. untouched land claimed by or with the support of the state), but it doesn't have to be.

Enacting property rights over those natural resources is the initial act of coercion that makes trade possible. Merely using resources isn't coercion but it doesn't "result in property" unless you also apply coercion to exclude others from them. (Seems like a pointless word game you're trying to play here.)

I'm not advocating for property rights over natural resources. I'm advocating for property rights over artificial objects created by labour applied to natural resources.
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