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Interested! Could you please share why did they close the account and what argument did you make to have them open it back? I have the same issue for another Google service
The reason given was "Our specialists have found that your account is related to an account that was disabled for violations of AdSense policies." Since it was impossible for there to be such a relation I argued that under the terms of service governing the Adsense program my account was at all times in good standing and that by withholding payment Google had breached the agreement.
I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds interesting, but are you aware of anyone who has used this strategy with a major social network/content distribution platform and had success? Reading, I wonder if it's the sort of thing where Google’s lawyers could brush you off because companies that large are effectively immune.
Large companies definitely aren't immune from litigation over stuff like this. I sent Google a demand letter for breach of contract for wrongfully terminating my Adsense account. In the letter I gave them 30 days to restore my account and pay the money they had wrongfully withheld. On the 30th day the account was restored and the money was paid. Though I wrote the letter myself, I'd imagine anyone similarly situated…
People in GDPR countries should also file a request for all data relating to the decision. They'll probably refuse it, in which case you should forward it to your Information Commissioner.
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
You sue google? This plan actually works?
Credible legal threats are arguably the MOST effective way to get a big corporation to do what you want, the main disadvantage being that the corporation will be disinclined towards doing business with you afterwards since they can no longer farm you passively for revenue. (If there is a long term relationship based on trust this will usually kill it forever.) There are many steps on the path to filing a lawsuit and…
That's what corporations want you to think. They hate lawsuits excessively. And you know, it was never really based on trust if you had to take them to court to pay and you were in the right.
Plus Fortune 500 companies set things up so fewer lawsuits reach higher sums. This is good for them, they pay less in total but get to complain and be bitchvictims much more.
Suppose Acme is selling dogfood made out of shellfish. Secretly puts a little bad shellfish in the dogfood, which could be out of sadism sometimes, or costs, but a combination. I guess they have contacts for cheap bad clams, do less cold-chain processing, less hygiene at the place, less protocols which also matter. All of these are money. Acme might be in bad debt, that's happening a lot right now, companies underwater.
It's gross and it kills ten of thousand of dogs. Now what would be fair is compensating each owner for about $20000, something of that magnitude, maybe more for a service dog, and with dogs it sucks but they're not valued exactly like humans, and the emotional bond might be worth more. So it can be argued in court, how much you cared about the dog, the breed the upkeep, the kids are heartbroken.
Now, instead of doing that, Acme does all these maneuvers, like selling the shellfish dogfood through an app with a sneakily-designed arbitration clause, dogfood-as-a-service, with a huge false advertising marketing push and a lot of subtly coercive funnel action. So you have these arbitration clauses, which is a total kangaroo court, and it's designed to be less expensive--which it is--but for the company. So then they kill a class-action lawsuit, and they use the legalistic equivalent of a growth hacker to work against the funnel for the lawsuits, so get people dropping out of their lawsuit. All but the most determined people. The most dogged dog owners, who just won't give up on justice for their dog.
Then, the Acme does appeal after appeal, expensive dilatory court maneuvers, legalistic abuses, like showing up with forty lawyers (some companies do this, talk about how many lawyers they have to intimidate people, plus it's a little mob in the courtroom which has a coercive physical presence. All these things in name of due process for instance (despite their funnel into the arbitration clause, which in my view is intent to avoid due process), because of the customers greed like the dead dog were a jackpot, all this shit. So finally after years and years of going back and forth--which the sadism element of Acme enjoys, especially watching plaintiffs get shunted out of the courtroom because of an eg eviction because they didn't get the money in time, or the lawyer sells them out to Acme (happened to me), well after all we're talking of a company that knowingly poisoned its dogfood--then at long last, there's a very skewed distribution of a very few expensive lawsuits. Like one for $6 million, one for $3, one for $2. Like a zipf distribution. And it cuts out after like $400000 because the suit has to make sense (ergodicity) if they can't get Acme to pay for their lawyers. But this is good for Acme, they can play the victim by pointing at those few expensive lawsuits, proving the customer's greed, and save a lot of money, because morally they owed $200M for poisonings. It's just multiplication.
Plus, the bitchvictim media then gives them moral authority to act super super paranoid and say "oh the lawsuits" with employees, with suppliers, with everybody, when they know full well those few lawsuits were their own work to distort the effect of the law. Again, sadism. They were always in business to cheat people, hence the dogfood-as-a-service app with the "firmatage", semi-coercive contract-signing funnel backed by huge marketing push with false advertising. Instead of just selling it at a supermarket, or on an online store WITHOUT that arbitration contract.
Plus, Acme is a shitty company[1]. Acme does not make a profit on their public-facing business model (the one in their ads after eg football games, about how good the quality is because they work so hard and do things so right, beautiful nature photos, model dogs actually eating a different food with food makeup), only on their internal-facing business model of selling poisoned dogfood. Adultering the dogfood. Shitting in other's mouths, and they're not surprised either, despite their customer support all saying "this is the first time we've heard of this." Their business model is poisoning dogs, it's not an accident their app has that arb clause.[2]
See this post I wrote, about a garbage company killing a toddler as part of its business model and the question of suing them or not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30768600
They can't stay in business as a virtuous company, if they even wanted to, they dump the risk of bad clams on their customers. But paying out suits requires real profits! America in general is much less profitable than it once was.
And it's a class thing, how dare you, you middle-class American, take money from me, a higher-class group of managers?
Blackballing, basically.
So if you want to blackball me, go right ahead, I don't want to deal with shitty companies, I'll pay the company that can be taken to court because it does have make a real profit, and can feel shame, and understands the need for regulation. Besides I'm a Roman Law hero, literally a champion on the street, you expect me to take it lying down when it's legal arguments instead of street fighting? I took landlords to court over defaulting on the deposit, I took a former employer to court over unpaid contracts, I take people to court. Let that be known. Especially due to intellectual property, the whole thing is intrinsically litigious, well like all property. But the bigger picture is, the profits are really really solid because my algorithms are so dominant (10x, 50x, 10000000000x speedups). Hey would you rather it be like ordinary property, asking for my wallet and seeing what I do about it?
And court is not a terrible place to talk things out. There's no violence, everyone is accountable for what they claim and say and do, if you ask exactly what you deserve and turn down any amount beyond that it changes the game, too. Just being righteous.
[1] Google I would say is not, but I heard of them not paying out eg Adwords, like that other guy had to take them to small claims say they couldn't discriminate just if he had brown eyes or blue eyes, where Google said they reserved the right to welch for any reason, and had made money on the plaintiff they didn't want to actually share.
[2] Businesses can run it in default mode, which is what LLC's are for, then you get some liability but like limited, and the law is basically designed to be fair. Especially because judges smell "oh this is a shitty company trying to game the system" and juries are wise a lot of the time. If on the other hand the business actually could profit from the public-facing business model, it would be a totally different story.
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#154It seems to indicate a lack of communication in each review of how thoroughly the video was evaluated. By the third time round, there should have been a note attached saying something along the lines of "I watched this entire video looking for keygens, patchers, or anything that might be a circumvention. There are none. This is a legitimate review of the product in question and nothing more."
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Running a crime prevention system is adversarial. If your law isn't perfect (which is ofcourae impossible), then having a transparent law enforcement system is the same as nit having a law enforcement system.
This but unironically. Transparent law enforcement has never succeeded anywhere. (The US makes the laws notionally "transparent" but written so broadly that they apply to everyone, and the opaque part is under prosecutorial discretion, but in practice it's very much the same mechanism as what the likes of e.g. China do)
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think two people searching for the same terms should see the same results I agree, but that's not the point being stated. The point is that the entire concept of Google is about ranking (a form of discrimination) the relevancy of websites to the search query. Common carrier status means that a search for "Microsoft official website" would not be able to prioritize Microsoft's official website, because that would…
> The point is that the entire concept of Google is about ranking (a form of discrimination) the relevancy of websites to the search query. Not really. All you'd have to do is make the algorithm public, and become a commodity. When you're a common carrier, you sell bandwidth, not magic fairy dust. > Common carrier status means that a search for "Microsoft official website" would not be able to prioritize Microsoft's…
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
You sue google? This plan actually works?
Credible legal threats are arguably the MOST effective way to get a big corporation to do what you want, the main disadvantage being that the corporation will be disinclined towards doing business with you afterwards since they can no longer farm you passively for revenue. (If there is a long term relationship based on trust this will usually kill it forever.) There are many steps on the path to filing a lawsuit and…
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#158First step, if you get a demand like that, file a police report. Extortion, and attempted extortion, are crimes. You can also file with the FBI online, which will at least result in your complaint being accumulated with other similar complaints. Not much may happen, but now it's on record. Now you have paperwork establishing a crime. If you're willing to spend legal fees, talk to a lawyer. You can potentially sue the…
This sounds interesting, but are you aware of anyone who has used this strategy with a major social network/content distribution platform and had success? Reading, I wonder if it's the sort of thing where Google’s lawyers could brush you off because companies that large are effectively immune.
The advantage the company has it that they can drag things out for years and most people cant fight that battle with them. But smart companies will still respond, billable hours spent to fight it may often cost more than just doing what the customer asks. Using the adsense example, cost to do that all that was for sure way less than actually challenging someone over the issue. Demand letter means at least the legal intern is reading what you said at Google. Which is an improvement over nobody reading it.
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#159A video taken down, then found on review – twice – to have been taken down in error, then on the third review to have been taken down correctly, where the video in question is definitely not violating the policy it's under review for. I'm curious what sort of review procedure could lead to this sequence of events. Why would Youtube invest enough resources to evaluate a video four times, but do it so poorly? It seems…
Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)
#160If I'm understanding the attack correctly, its surprising there is not more along these lines - specifically the "trigger big tech company's automate banning against someone" attack. It wouldn't be surprising if this is fairly easy across a variety of "services"