VPN is decent (not as good as Mullvad). I haven't tried "Drive", but am not willing to shift from Dropbox. Email and Calendar from Proton are "perpetually in beta", but I prefer Fastmail (over a decade with them).
They are trying to spin debate around "privacy" and overselling the "Swiss experience". Nothing prevents them from changing the privacy policy tomorrow (to "conform" to the rules and regulations). As it is, Proton VPN's credentials are shrouded in controversy.
Proton is trying to become Google without your data
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a silent backlash against Proton, the most obvious is the domain is blocked by the US Antivirus company who scans all UK politicians emails through the UK parliament email address parliament.uk or British politicians are ignoring their constituents, some website contact forms reject protonmail email address as well. So I hope they give Google a run for their money. Edit IF its not politicians ignoring emails…
I've definitely blocked protonmail domains before. The calculus is that 100% of the accounts from that domain are fraud and 0% are legitimate, so it just saves a lot of time to block it. Stops fraud before it even starts. This is, of course, annoying for the 1 legitimate customer mixed in with the billions of bots. But basically, they have an abuse problem that they need to solve. Gmail also has plenty of fraudulent…
> Work: https://pachyderm.com/
Well, I know what I'm not using if I ever have a need for an ML pipeline.
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#153> The analogy to terrorism is interesting because, during the Bush-era War on Terror, there was a sense of literally anything being justified in the name of stopping terrorism. The US government was secretly spying on its own citizens. Yeah, Wired, they only did the spying during the Bush era... edit: I guess it was less secret after the Bush era > It's even harder to say, look, we've got to accept that some amount o…
> we've got to accept that some amount of child exploitation is going to happen Funny, that's the exact deal with have with guns - we accept some amount of mass child murder as the cost of the 2nd Amendment. Another datapoint that the 2nd is now considered more absolute the 1st.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your threat model is state level actors the only thing that will cut it is another state level actor
What do you mean with that? From what I understand, there are legitimate issues around Protonmail and its affiliation with government agencies [1]. It’s not as if it’s impossible to find a different provider that does better in this regard. [1] This provides a decent summary: https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/
I’m responding to a person saying protonmail wouldn’t cut it against a state level actor. The point is even if there were zero issues with agency affiliation state level actors v an individual is always a losing battle for the individual.
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#155Proton is not perfect, but nothing is. We need more competition on the internet, and if Proton has a chance to provide an email and storage for an upfront price without trying to distract me with ads or pimp my data to advertisers, I want to support them. As a data point, I have been a very happy user of their plus service for the last 3 years.
The only thing that bugs me with Proton is that it's still very complicated to integrate with thunderbird (or any mail app?), which makes it practically unusable for my needs. Having a tab always open in my browser for my mail seems so wrong.
fwiw, there's an unofficial desktop app: https://github.com/vladimiry/ElectronMail
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uh-huh. Then perhaps they shouldn't be touting Swiss privacy laws like they're some holy golden shield. And once again: > Why's a privacy-first service logging IPs in the first place?
Did you read the article you yourself linked? > French police sent a request to Swiss police via Europol to force the company to obtain the IP address of one of its users They weren't logging until they were forced to.
And since then they have been logging thousands upon thousands of other addresses
A while back on the very hackernews thread when the news of the French activist being jailed it was highly discussed, the source of the data being ProtonMail themselves
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#157The privacy of GMail is good enough, if not better than ProtonMail. Client side encryption also comes with downsides since they can't allow third party email clients to work and you have to do all processing client side.
> The privacy of GMail is good enough, if not better than ProtonMail. How do you figure? Google actively scans both email and drive for CSAM. If they can scan it for CSAM, they can scan it for whatever the hell they want.
Just because they can violate your privacy that doesn't mean that they do. By that logic you can say ProtonMail processes your unencrypted email to encrypt it. If they can process your unencrypted email they can process it in any way they want.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The privacy of GMail is good enough, if not better than ProtonMail. How do you figure? Google actively scans both email and drive for CSAM. If they can scan it for CSAM, they can scan it for whatever the hell they want.
And they already do, google and Microsoft both scan emails for ADs and tracking.
>We do not scan or read your Gmail messages to show you ads
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#159Proton is not perfect, but nothing is. We need more competition on the internet, and if Proton has a chance to provide an email and storage for an upfront price without trying to distract me with ads or pimp my data to advertisers, I want to support them. As a data point, I have been a very happy user of their plus service for the last 3 years.
The only thing that bugs me with Proton is that it's still very complicated to integrate with thunderbird (or any mail app?), which makes it practically unusable for my needs. Having a tab always open in my browser for my mail seems so wrong.
You just need to install the bridge locally, the rest is similar to what you would do for other email providers. What is complicated about it?
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#160VPN is decent (not as good as Mullvad). I haven't tried "Drive", but am not willing to shift from Dropbox. Email and Calendar from Proton are "perpetually in beta", but I prefer Fastmail (over a decade with them). They are trying to spin debate around "privacy" and overselling the "Swiss experience". Nothing prevents them from changing the privacy policy tomorrow (to "conform" to the rules and regulations). As it is,…
Only drive is still in beta