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Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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Step 1: repeal the Second Amendment. There's never going to be useful progress here until America unsticks from the idea that the right to arm yourself belongs in the same category as the right to free speech or due process.

How do you enforce that in the era of 3D printers and consumer grade CNCs?

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OK, I'm hoping for a nuanced and civil discussion, but here goes... America (where I live and was raised) does not like to parse numbers, when it comes to these things. Both "mass shootings" and "mental illness" are dividable into smaller chunks than their current definitions and need to be handled in different ways than a "winner take all" approach. "Mental Illness" is a broad spectrum and cannot be lumped into a gi…

An even better number is the types of guns used in homicides. AR style weapons are used in less than 150 shootings a year on average out of 24,000 homicides. It's mostly handguns. Just because they are prevalent in particular tragedies do they get such attention. It's dumb.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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This feels silly. Explosives are general arms for an armed service. Good luck stockpiling c4. Or having a military vehicle. Cannons that can shoot depleted uranium? Surface to air missiles? All arms that would be needed to fend off a real threat. So the idea that guns are special is idiotic. You can already get in trouble for using a gun with too many rounds when bird hunting. Is that actually illegal?

Yes, all those bans are illegal. If I want to mount a robotic machine gun turret behind my front door, I should be able to without anyone complaining.

All the abortion bans are also currently unenforceable. But that can change with a simple precedent reversal from the supreme court. And note that the precedent to overturn for the guns is not as long standing.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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"Where many U.S. states permit concealed carry of handguns, handguns are virtually illegal to carry in Canada. Transporting them from your home to the range is legal, but they must be unloaded, locked, and permits are required for the transport." I see no mechanism by which those laws would reduce mass shootings. A mass shooter would simply ignore them. The other policies you mention may be more relevant, but it goes…

I see no mechanism by which those laws would reduce mass shootings. A mass shooter would simply ignore them. If the guns are illegal, they aren't as easy to get. They aren't in everyone's home. If you break in somewhere to steal a gun, you'll not get a handgun. You know, because most folks aren't willing to hold onto an illegal gun. You aren't going to go to a gun show and buy an illegal gun because those folks don't…

I’m a little surprised the black market in highly regulated countries doesn’t adapt by way of 3D-printed guns. Obviously most criminals aren’t going to learn how to make their own, but rather there are specialists as there are with forgers and traffickers and so on (hence “black market”). I wonder if there’s some limitation to those guns that I’m not aware of?

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#725

I think a good first step everyone can agree on to stop gun violence is: stop it's gamification. Almost every mass shooting in the last decade was someone looking for media attention and high score. And yet, every shooting is followed by detailed biography and a tally of bodies. Something as simple as a one month moratorium on information for anyone outside the community would probably work wonders, as the public eye…

Sure, one can try this - but I suspect that 4chan will only get more powerful as a place to "get information that is being surpressed". Qanon started on pol, and making pol the best place to go to find the sweet details on the shooter is going to blow up in your face.

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What if guns were treated similarly to cars? Mandatory training, License w/ renewals, registration w/ renewals, insurance mandatory, yearly inspection mandatory, etc. Personally I feel people should be able to defend themselves while at the same time deterred from stockpiling and accessing mass casualty capable arms.

So... You don't need a license to own or drive a car on your own property, I don't think. Or go through a background check to buy one. It's just that we have public roads, upon which it's difficult to hide a car while in use. Yet routinely many people drive unregistered and uninsured vehicles.

Not to mention in many cases, you can carry a gun in public, and you do need a license that has to be renewed, just like a driver's license. So the original poster's point is moot.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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As a non-American I found Heather Cox-Richardson's recent substack newsletter post [1] to be useful in understanding how the US has got to this point. She's a history professor at Boston College and she does a good job of describing how gun ownership and control came to be (intentionally) politicised, and how the NRA's role has changed over time. Honestly, I don't see how the US is ever going to dig itself out of thi…

It's difficult to take that article with more than a grain of salt when there's clear political bias and a lack of proper sourcing from the start. Of course political bias is inevitable, but to claim that our gun laws are the result of a takeover by "a minority of radical extermists" is ridiculous. Then when referencing hard numbers and talking about the influence the NRA may have had, she doesn't back that up with a…

Indeed. Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act, you could order pretty much any gun through the mail.

The political violence and radicalism of the 60’s drove the legislation. Only automatic weapons were controlled before that.

So seems silly to claim “radicals took over the NRA” when any type of gun control is a very recent phenomenon. Hell, even during the 80’s most of the US had incredibly lax gun control laws compared to what is being suggested today.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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It's an issue of volume. It's hard for an 18 year old to kill 20 people with their bard hands, or even knives, without being subdued.

No, not really that hard. Guy killed 11 woman with a car only 4 years ago in Toronto. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Notice this was vehicular homicide and not murder of children in their schools. That's what bothers people most.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#730

I think a good first step everyone can agree on to stop gun violence is: stop it's gamification. Almost every mass shooting in the last decade was someone looking for media attention and high score. And yet, every shooting is followed by detailed biography and a tally of bodies. Something as simple as a one month moratorium on information for anyone outside the community would probably work wonders, as the public eye…

In some countries, criminals faces are blurred when shown on TV. American media’s obsession with tragedy and its wider reach is culprit number one in my book.

It’s not the media’s obsession. Negative news sells. If positive news sold more than negative then we wouldn’t hear so much about it.
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