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I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Wow Will was such a part of my childhood watching Star Trek. Obviously, he didn't appear often but he was memorable simply because there were so few people as young as him on the show. Sad to hear this all around. This also brought back memories of me being required to play piano growing up. I hated piano, performing (recitals), playing in general. I was terrrribbleee (still am) and was put up in lessons for 12 years…

My curse was being good at pretty much anything I tried my hand at - and it lead my parents to constantly have enormous expectations of me. If I didn’t win the national competition for X, I was a miserable failure, and what would the other children and parents think. This even extended to ridiculous stuff like having me eat “advanced foods for his age”. Constant expectations of precociousness… which I was all too happy to fulfil. I wanted my eternally miserable mother to be happy.

This was my entire childhood. If I wasn’t constantly overachieving, there were threats of having me institutionalised (I never really understood the threat, given that I was already being raised at boarding school, how much worse could an asylum be?), actual privations (I came second in the year in some exams once because I had to do them from bed with bronchitis, and went home at the end of term to find my bedroom had been turned into a parlour), and the general gaslighting (Mr Hart is a very nice man, he would never do that (he is now in prison)) of childhood.

It was my mother, mainly, trying to make her own stunted and valueless life feel worthwhile. I forgive her, for she wasn’t much more than a child herself, and came from a small and terror-ridden world in the poverty of the decaying Scottish industrial heartland. She knew not what she did. She married a yuppie, an 80’s guy of the 70’s, and clambered onwards and upwards, putting on airs and graces you’d never think came from a girl who grew up in a trailer on a marsh next to a military base.

I recall testing this hypothesis, that it was about her, not me, aged 11, when I was Shanghai’d into doing a production with the Chicago lyric - she’d been pimping me out as a boy soprano with an English accent in Chicagoland, and crap did it sell. I decided to not tell her. Kept it completely under wraps while I rehearsed, told her I was throwing rocks at birds or something to explain the time, which was far more believable. Show rolls around. She’s there, at the premiere, because she has to be seen at all of this stuff, always. She was FURIOUS - I don’t remember a more severe beating from my father - that I had shamed her in such a way, that I had let her down so richly. The thing she was upset about, of course, is that I’d made it rather hard for her to take the credit, as she’d had literally zero involvement and everyone knew it.

We left Chicago a few months on, and I was removed from the school that had helped me go behind her back.

I feel for Wil. It’s a tough thing to live with, the anger, the absolute fucking outrage at what was done to you, balanced with the fact that whether you like it or not you still love these damaged shitheads, and your seemingly never ending quest for understanding why.

I understood, only in my late 30’s, the past few years, that none of it was my fault. I still haven’t entirely internalised that, maybe never will, but finding peace with my mother as just being the not terribly worldly or foresightful person that she is. I pity her hollowed out little life of gin and gardeners, but if it’s her crowning achievement, so be it, that’s her life to ruin. I got mine, mostly, back.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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post #8

Wow Will was such a part of my childhood watching Star Trek. Obviously, he didn't appear often but he was memorable simply because there were so few people as young as him on the show. Sad to hear this all around. This also brought back memories of me being required to play piano growing up. I hated piano, performing (recitals), playing in general. I was terrrribbleee (still am) and was put up in lessons for 12 years…

There are tons of adults that are thankful their parents forced them to learn something (a second language, a musical instrument, ...). There are also tons of adults forever angry at themselves for complaining to the point their parents let them stop studying whatever "it" was. I learned Japanese as an adult. I know at least 3 Americans of Japanese descent angry at themselves for complaining to their parents to let t…

I think the answer is to let them try different things. There's going to be something that they like better than the others. If they keep begging you to stop making them do a thing, that's a clue that it's not the right one.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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> but it often doesn't fail. Is it wrong that a child was forced into something that gave them a great life? I've seen it fail more often than not fail. Maybe from the outside the person has a great life but on the inside they're not actually happy. > It just feels weird hearing a millionaire, rather successful, badmouth his parents and throw a pity party because they made him do something he was good at as a child.…

I'd rather be unhappy that I lost a few life experiences as a kid than being unhappy now because I can't pay my rent, I'm living off ramen, and my apartment has bedbugs, but that's just me.

It's not "I wish I didn't lose a few life experiences". Will Wheaton has expressed several times that he has severe chronic depression and anxiety. There's a lot of range between "can't pay rent" and "severely depressed millionaire" and I don't think people want either of those extremes.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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People don't want to believe. I try to explain to my friends why I won't watch anything with children as prominent characters, but they generally don't want to hear it, because "Stranger Things is so good" or something. Hollywood is the land of depravity and abuse. It's no place for children.

And Stranger Things isn't good, it's just a mashup of 80s films that are at least twice as old as the actors, no original ideas at all. The problem is more celebrity rather than the filming process. Make it illegal to report any "news", ie gossip, about anyone under 18 for a start.

Now look at all the superhero movies etc. I agree with you, it's just that the whole entertainment industry now is filled with this - unoriginal recycling in high-volume production.

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I really wouldn't be surprised if 30/40/50 years from now "child stars" will seem as absurd and barbaric as child labor in general does today. It just seems so terrible and exploitative in so many cases.

People don't want to believe. I try to explain to my friends why I won't watch anything with children as prominent characters, but they generally don't want to hear it, because "Stranger Things is so good" or something. Hollywood is the land of depravity and abuse. It's no place for children.

Is it so bad though? Our world has shown capability - still - for improving living conditions. Optimism would say that the child actors of today have a better and fairer shot at a good life than they had 50 (for example) years ago.

Now Harry Potter is pretty old already, and outside Hollywood, but those seemed to fare pretty well.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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> Asian culture simply adopted American and English culture in this regard Since the OP mentioned China specifically, I think it’s good to note that the Chinese elite have venerated art for millennia. Poetry writing, singing, and playing musical instruments were a staple of every young nobles education during the times of the Imperial dynasties. It’s not at all something simply copied from the British during coloniza…

I've never heard of a Chinese/Asian parent forcing the erhu or pipa on their kids though: it's always Western instruments, particularly the violin and piano.

the instruments changed (like clothing fashion) but the idea to learn art stayed.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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Child actors need an independent advocate. A children actors union. If the parents can consent to them working, they’ll have to accept that there is an advocate group governing certain things about their working conditions too.

Someone needs to take the children’s side - that the parents and employers don’t always want to do.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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I feel really conflicted on this one. On the surface, he's right, let kids be kids. But parents almost always overstep their bounds to do what they think is best for their child. We've all heard of Tiger Moms, and parents basically forcing their kids into being a doctor for their own good. When it fails, it fails spectacularly, but it often doesn't fail. Is it wrong that a child was forced into something that gave th…

I'm no millionaire but I certainly wouldn't want to switch places with him. I'm sure he definitely had a better life than those living in constant hunger and poverty, but from what I can tell he wasn't necessarily at risk of any of that.

There's always someone with a worse life. I'd rather be homeless and hungry in America than live through the drought and famine that's hitting parts of Africa right now, or to have a roof over my head in the Chinese concentration camps.

Being rich and famous doesn't make you happy. I fact, I'd say the opposite is often true: Hollywood produces some of the most twisted, desperate, depressed and depraved people out there. Today, Wil Wheaton is in a position many of us dream to achieve, being famous and beloved by the masses and probably not having to worry about money for the rest of his life, but to get there, he had to survive a lot of trauma. Is all that money worth it watching some movie producers scratch up your sister's face as a child actor? What if the gamble hadn't paid off? His sister suffered through a similar life but I haven't heard much from her. Going through all that to have the glamorous life of... a massage therapist? No, thank you. You can learn to give massages without the parental neglect. Wil was lucky to get a successful career out of this but that was never certain.

Comments like yours often come off as envious to me. Some want the glamorous riches so bad they overlook the childhood trauma. Perhaps you've survived your own trauma, but "at least he got something out of it" is still a terrible take.

Re: I was forced to be a child star. It was never my dream or my idea

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post #8

Wow Will was such a part of my childhood watching Star Trek. Obviously, he didn't appear often but he was memorable simply because there were so few people as young as him on the show. Sad to hear this all around. This also brought back memories of me being required to play piano growing up. I hated piano, performing (recitals), playing in general. I was terrrribbleee (still am) and was put up in lessons for 12 years…

That's something me and my wife struggle with now that we have a child. We both wish we had been pushed more when it comes to music lessons. So, we think we will try to get him to learn piano or an other instrument (except violin). However, we will most likely put a time limit, if after 3 years he still doesn't really like it, he can give it up. The idea, is that I think that for certain things like music, it only re…

My wife had this idea that we had our kids learn less-popular instruments. Viola instead of violin, harpsichord instead of piano. Playing piano is super competetive, you could put a lot of effort into it and still there are so many better players than you. In comparison the local harpsichord community is very happy to have a new member, everybody is supportive and it is much easier for the kids.
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