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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by kabdib »

HomeGear wrote: post #515
kabdib wrote: post #293

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All but one of the jobs I've had in my 4+ decades of mucking with computers have been through networking. (Even the gig I had as a dishwasher in high school was a referral through a friend). That one job that I got at a generic Silly Valley job fair? It was the place where I learned the term "Train Wreck". Network, network, network. Oh yeah.

It’s hard to say if your experience is isolated to a single job. No?

Unclear what you're asking. Generally I've stayed 5-8 years at any one company (the most so far was 11). My time at a few startups were far shorter than that, for pretty guessable reasons.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by sulam »

DeathArrow wrote: post #380
sulam wrote: post #310

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There are risks, yes, but fundamentally we are still an industry that has a lot of upside, vs many others. In a recession many businesses will contract, but it's a rare large tech company that will do more than pause some forms of spending. Even when you hear that hiring is paused at the big tech companies, they will usually still be backfilling departures, and they won't be doing significant layoffs. The exceptions…

>The exceptions are companies with large service-based businesses that may or not qualify as tech companies based on your definition. Like Amazon and Netflix? And if companies are spending less for online ads, that can hit Google and Facebook, too.

I work at one of those two ad-supported businesses, and would be very surprised if there are large scale layoffs.

And yes, as one of the responders noted, I meant the services companies. An IBM might do a large layoff, but I generally wouldn't put that in the same category as Amazon or Netflix. I've worked through three economic cycles now (at least I think we're seeing the end of the third) and while they haven't been great for everyone in the industry, we've been better off than most others. For instance, just to pick on one profession, I know way more lawyers who've become software engineers than vice versa.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by moneywoes »

rzazueta wrote: post #42
moneywoes wrote: post #27

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Could you please some advice regarding this for someone with 2yoe mostly lamp stack? Where do I find clients after incorporating > My advice here is to keep looking, but start working on something on the side that will generate revenue

You need to spend a lot of time thinking about your product and who actually wants to pay for it. Who are your ideal customers? What are their challenges? How does your product solve those challenges? How high a priority are those challenges to that audience? Is there an audience that would put them at a higher priority? How much is it worth to them to solve those challenges - how are those challenges currently affec…

Thank for the valuable feedback. I've taken this to heart and have started exploring a niche. As you said, the goal is to provide value and I need to figure out how to articulate that best. May I ask how you received your first client?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

Solvitieg wrote: post #252
scottlamb wrote: post #196

> I hope some experienced people in the industry can give some hope and advice. Is demoralizing to find out I spent 4 years in school just to get into a really harsh job market. First pandemic, then recession? F... Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. > I wan…

> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

>The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models.

Now that the cash is drying up, Startups which didn't solve any real problem couldn't bruteforce their growth anymore. Perhaps this is good for the entire ecosystem.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by scollet »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #554
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

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> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

>The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. Now that the cash is drying up, Startups which didn't solve any real problem couldn't bruteforce their growth anymore. Perhaps this is good for the entire ecosystem.

There we go. This is the comment I was going to make, but you've done the idea justice.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by scollet »

eastbound wrote: post #390
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

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> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

I would say salaries are massively under-inflated

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by zoom6628 »

I work in a very large company which operates globally and there is talk around the water coolers about recession. All I can say is be ready for it. As another poster mentioned software engineers tend to do alright in such times as our tech is a route to cost reduction and automation - which can be bad for other trades but not. This is normal cycle of life - lost count how many recessions and market slumps I’ve been through.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by shanay »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #230
bigiain wrote: post #215

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> Look to the 2000 (Tech Bubble Burst) recession. In that one, the bottom dropped out of the tech market. Web designers were especially hard hit. I wonder if it's gonna be mobile app designers/devs this time round?

Might be. I don't particularly care, for myself (I'm done with the rat race), but there's a whole ton of folks that have the job description that may have a hard time of it. It seems that a lot of software, these days, is "full stack" (SaaS) stuff. The app is really just the frontend. If the frontends get clobbered, the backends are just behind. Basic "food chain" stuff. UPDATED TO ADD: I took a peek at your HN profi…

How about mobile game devs?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by iLoveOncall »

eastbound wrote: post #390
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

Lol from this post I can tell you're an employer that nobody will ever want to work for no matter the salary you're paying. The economic situation and developers are not the issue, you are.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by phist_mcgee »

shanay wrote: post #558
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be. I don't particularly care, for myself (I'm done with the rat race), but there's a whole ton of folks that have the job description that may have a hard time of it. It seems that a lot of software, these days, is "full stack" (SaaS) stuff. The app is really just the frontend. If the frontends get clobbered, the backends are just behind. Basic "food chain" stuff. UPDATED TO ADD: I took a peek at your HN profi…

How about mobile game devs?

First against the wall i'm afraid.
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