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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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This will be at least the fourth such downturn I have seen in my career: - the 2000 Dotcom Bust - the 2008 recession - the 2020 pandemic recession - Now The short answer is that no one really knows what will happen. A lot of companies are reading the tea leaves - and regardless of what anyone tells you, that's really all it is - and trying to figure out how to make the best moves given rising prices, rising interest…

excellent advice on side gigs!

i have (mostly) quit consulting this year to bootstrap some of my long-planned projects (e-mail me if you want to see some)

i'm now more happy than ever, eventhough i have not yet made any money (!)

the source of happiness comes from me owning all the IP for the project, no NDAs to sign and me being in full control of the technical decisions

the most positive so far is, i've stopped seeing work as hours/leisture, but as an investment

the more effort i put into a project the more value it can generate to the clients

as an employee, however, more hours on a project, guarantees only two things a) to get mentally exhausted or b) to make some super-rich VC more richer

own your work!

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#193

I bet the non-profitable, feeding-on-VC startups are getting worried and we'll see more of this. I work at a non-VC-funded, profitable, stable, small place and we're desperately trying to hire. I've never made FAANG/startup income, and I've always felt a little left-out because of that. But we've been stable for nearly 30 years, and have never had the big layoffs or hiring freezes including, dot-com bust, 2008, 2020…

What are the pay ranges for the roles you have open?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#194

The job market is still about as hot as I've ever seen it as a senior engineer - I don't know what it looks like for juniors these days, but I know a lot of places are hiring a lot of people and some have been trying for over a year now to fill positions. I think probably startups will take a hit, but there are plenty of places that pay well and do good things and need coders.

I'm just taking a guess, but wouldn't it make sense that more qualified people or people who have a good track record are going to have less trouble finding a job?

If 2009 is any gauge it comes gently and then suddenly. Ripple effects of contracting credit take a long time to work through the economy, so it's important to heed observations of the bow shock. Fewer startups, lower credit card limits, no access to cheap corporate debt, cost cutting, more conservative consumer spending, all add up until one day you're chatting to a recruiter who is visibly sweating as he tells you he hasn't placed a candidate in months.

I was already senior back in 2009 too and it was ugly. If your bum is not already in a seat, right now it should be your top priority, and you should absolutely be vetting the kinds of companies making you offers.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you cite VC funded and then headcount as your only metric of success is hilarious.

The fact he cited that they have a successful product didn't register with you?

You mean that product that had the same temporary surge in demand as everyone else?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#196
> I hope some experienced people in the industry can give some hope and advice. Is demoralizing to find out I spent 4 years in school just to get into a really harsh job market. First pandemic, then recession? F...

Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also.

> I wanna know if during recessions recruiting slows down even for big profitable companies.

I remember Google's recruiting slowed down in ~2008. [edit: 2009? Maybe not right at the start of the recession.] [1] So sometimes yes. On the bright side, it's rare for profitable large tech companies to lay off software engineers, so if you get in, you're pretty safe.

Even at startups, I don't expect a universal freeze. I asked an external recruiter (that is, someone who recruits for a variety of startups) a couple days ago about the present situation. She told me some companies she works with have done hiring freezes, others are still desperate to hire. There are opportunities. I'm not a good enough business person to give you solid general advice about which startups will be most resilient, though.

If you are good enough and/or persistent enough, my feeling is there will be a place for you in tech. (Even if, for example, you freeze up during coding interviews. Some companies do these, others don't. There's enough variety that you can still be okay if you don't have your sights set on a particular company.)

If you are not, there's almost certainly still a place for you as a software engineer in a stable, non-tech company or government position. Non-tech typically isn't as lucrative, but you can be comfortable. My feeling is many of these places have a tremendous need for just basic automation. Arguably more so during a recession, although they may not all realize this.

I started my career not long before the last recession. I didn't have any real existing savings to lose. Then I was earning far in excess of my needs and investing much of the rest in index funds (e.g. VTI) when stock prices were low. The recession ended and stock prices soared. I feel scummy saying this about many people's suffering, but the recession worked out well for me.

[1] Personally I think this was a mistake. They could have hired a lot of great people during this time. "Be bold when others are fearful." They had solid financial footing for hiring, and if nothing else, they could have put a fair number of folks on efficiency projects that would have more than paid their way in machine costs.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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post #146

> To be honest is my first time job hunting since I graduated in 2019. Do you mean you’re leaving your first job after ~3 years or there’s been a gap in your resume?

no, what they imply is that they didn't have to look for a job since after they graduated in 2019

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#198

I bet the non-profitable, feeding-on-VC startups are getting worried and we'll see more of this. I work at a non-VC-funded, profitable, stable, small place and we're desperately trying to hire. I've never made FAANG/startup income, and I've always felt a little left-out because of that. But we've been stable for nearly 30 years, and have never had the big layoffs or hiring freezes including, dot-com bust, 2008, 2020…

I wrote about this just a couple of days ago! Our investors have been warning of a looming bear market for many months and now financing another round anytime soon looks rough.

If you want personal advice check this out:

https://www.towardssoftware.com/blog/economic-environment-fo...

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for an idea of how things may go. Look to the 2000 (Tech Bubble Burst) recession. Agree. In aftermath of the .com implosion it took about 4 years for hiring to come back to a more normal pace. It was a good time to go back to school to do a Masters degree. > I have family that works for Intel, and they say that Intel tends to actually increase hiring in bear markets. Having worked for Intel and knowing folks still…

>It was a good time to go back to school to do a Masters degree. Why? You mean because people couldn't find a job so they went back to school instead?

Yes, exactly. That's is what I did. I did pick up some contract work while doing my Masters back then, but the pickings were pretty sparse in my non-silicon valley area. Usually 3 to 6 month contracts with breaks between which allowed me to focus on the schooling. There were a couple of years there in the early 2000s where I only worked about 3 months. I was fortunate to have savings built up during the booming 90s to enable me to get by during bad times in the early 2000s.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#200
post #146

> To be honest is my first time job hunting since I graduated in 2019. Do you mean you’re leaving your first job after ~3 years or there’s been a gap in your resume?

no, what they imply is that they didn't have to look for a job since after they graduated in 2019

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding the situation; but if you graduate college and then don't get a job for 3 years, I don't think that's going to help you get interviews.
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