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Post by glenstein »

throwaway290 wrote: post #304
fps_doug wrote: post #298

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> I'm not sure what you mean by language hints. Because of the han unification, you can tell the font renderer which language context you're in and want things to be rendered. MSWord shows you the language in the status bar at the bottom, which is not only used for spell checking. In html, you can add the lang attribute to a tag to tell the browser what language the contained glyphs belong to. > do you actually belie…

> In html, you can add the lang attribute to a tag to tell the browser what language the contained glyphs belong to. Well, you can visit probably any official Chinese government department website right now and see traditional Japanese characters instead of their simplified equivalents, if your machine happens to be configured that way. (Or at least the first one I stumbled across was like that, I pasted link somewhe…

Right, and a premise of the tweet cited here is that different character sets mean you should just freely assume it's fabricated by Taiwan. It doesn't make that argument (at least not anywhere in the cited thread), it just presents an examination of characters with that as an underlying assumption.

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skitout wrote: post #211
ashwagary wrote: post #204

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>a lot of the issues have to do with the systemic denial of resources and oppression How do you explain Chinese Uyghurs committing terrorist acts in the rest of Asia outside of China?

Some Uighur did turn Jihadist. Oppression and denial of resources in an area is perfect for radicalization, including Jihadist radicalization if this area/population is mostly Muslim. But so far, the vast majority of Uighur and Kazakh in China are not Jihadist, not even Islamist.

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Post by trasz »

glenstein wrote: post #308
trasz wrote: post #268

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If you look at the context, it's obvious that this thread is about disproving the claim that in the West the pressure from the society on the government works better than in China, and not about "making it sound like China is actually ok". So, in USA there are literally entire law chapters designed to eliminate specific racial group (and hippies, that's what delegalisation of drugs was about). Yet you don't consider…

>and not about "making it sound like China is actually ok". So can we set the other argument aside just for a moment and get clarity on whether you think people in this thread are right to express concern re Xinjiang? That would disabuse everyone reading your comments of the concern that you're just purposely derailing them, and should be easy to clarify. We can have both discussions, without using one to shut down t…

Of course they are right to express concern - but if they do that while simultaneously maintaining that their country is doing fundamentally better because it's USA, which from my experience describes the most vocal group and which can be seen in this very subthread ("that's classic whataboutism, and it uses an inch of U.S. abuses to sweep away a mile of abuses by China"), then there is something fundamentally wrong with their beliefs - or their motivations.

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Post by trasz »

watwut wrote: post #292
trasz wrote: post #268

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If you look at the context, it's obvious that this thread is about disproving the claim that in the West the pressure from the society on the government works better than in China, and not about "making it sound like China is actually ok". So, in USA there are literally entire law chapters designed to eliminate specific racial group (and hippies, that's what delegalisation of drugs was about). Yet you don't consider…

> So, in USA there are literally entire law chapters designed to eliminate specific racial group (and hippies, that's what delegalisation of drugs was about). Yet you don't consider this a genocide. Ever wondered why? Yeah, because if there was bad-faith definition of genocide or bad faith argument, this is the one. But, given that article is about genocide performed by China, lets focus on that, shall we? Surely Chi…

>Yeah, because if there was bad-faith definition of genocide or bad faith argument, this is the one.

Not sure if you've noticed, but Zenz inferred genocide from improving contraceptives usage statistics. Double standards much?

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Post by einpoklum »

Adrian Zenz is a fundamentalist Christian who has declared he is on some kind of quest from god to bring down Communist China. He's made multiple baseless accusations in the past such as there supposedly being a genocide of the Uyghurs. See:

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-...

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Post by Jon_Lowtek »

4ggr0 wrote: post #215
smcl wrote: post #133

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Comments which mention socialism or communism in a way that doesn't explicitly condemn it are often downvoted to oblivion on HN. I got it once because I mentioned that I thought Tito was an interesting guy. FWIW I'll vouch the comment if it gets made [dead]

Yes, but I notice this in real life as well. As soon as I dare to suppose that merely the theory of communism is not 100% evil, I get treated like a full-on communist defending that "Stalin killed 100 million people". Can't even blame people that much, used to think the same. Then I read a couple of books, educated myself about different political ideologies and now I'm better able to talk about this topic rationally…

I see that a lot with all kind of topics and call it "0/1 partisanship" for lack of a better word. I think it's related strongly to in-group/out-group thinking, friend or foe. You are either with us, or against us, but in a radical way: either you agree with everything, or you are the enemy. There is no middle ground, no grey area, no 23% or 42% or 69% only 0 and 1. People lack the ability to differentiate, to have a discussion about the finer detail. Maybe it's the education system not training discourse culture, but i think it is mostly because they don't actually care about the topic, only about the social aspect of being on the same side of a topic.

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Post by alanh »

sva_ wrote: post #309
sizzle wrote: post #282

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Did you see the same thing I saw? Cause you can filter by age by hitting the hamburger menu icon and there were 2000+ females returned under 30 years old that I didn’t have the heart to verify scrolling through the mugshots, it really gutted me and made it painful to see this blatant miscarriage of Justice. Everyone please go and try out the age filter, it is frightening and highly effective in humanizing the plight…

I didn't look too deeply, as I said.

Maybe you should spend half a minutes checking to see if what you are suggestion is supported by available data before starting a conversation about it

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Post by akhmatova »

einpoklum wrote: post #315

Adrian Zenz is a fundamentalist Christian who has declared he is on some kind of quest from god to bring down Communist China. He's made multiple baseless accusations in the past such as there supposedly being a genocide of the Uyghurs. See: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-...

He's made multiple baseless accusations in the past such as there supposedly being a genocide of the Uyghurs.

It's perfectly possible for an assertion to be both: (1) promoted by crank, and (2) entirely substantiated on its own merits, independent of whatever crank might say about it.

One such example would be the ongoing fact of the genocide currently in reality (not "supposedly") underway against the Uyghur population in China.

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Post by akhmatova »

dr_faustus wrote: post #169
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #59

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It is not a far cry, it is in fact almost exactly the same situation, although to my knowledge the crimes of Israel are much more well documented by many sources. Also note that it has taken almost a decade to get to this level of awareness and still to this day Israel critics are called anti-semites and worse. Hopefully more widespread awareness and outrage about the treatment of Muslims in Xinjiang comes soon. EDIT…

Ok, so: Israel has currently ~4500 Palestinians detained = China has about 1.8m Uygurs in internment camps = 14% [2] I would call that a far cry. Also, many other statistics of welfare, e.g. child mortality or GPD/capita in the West Bank and Gaza are about the same or better than in the neighboring countries (Jordan, Egypt). On the other hand, there seems to be quite substantial evidence for mass sterilizations and a…

Israel has currently ~4500 Palestinians detained =

The entire West Bank and Gaza Strip are effectively a giant detention camp.

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Post by einpoklum »

akhmatova wrote: post #318
einpoklum wrote: post #315

Adrian Zenz is a fundamentalist Christian who has declared he is on some kind of quest from god to bring down Communist China. He's made multiple baseless accusations in the past such as there supposedly being a genocide of the Uyghurs. See: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-...

He's made multiple baseless accusations in the past such as there supposedly being a genocide of the Uyghurs. It's perfectly possible for an assertion to be both: (1) promoted by crank, and (2) entirely substantiated on its own merits, independent of whatever crank might say about it. One such example would be the ongoing fact of the genocide currently in reality (not "supposedly") underway against the Uyghur populat…

> It's perfectly possible etc.

that's true. However, when essentially all mainstream and government claims are based on said crank's claims, and in line with government interests, that is very suspicious.

> One such example would be the ongoing fact

To the best of our knowledge, that is a false statement. There is no genocide underway. You only have (1.), not (2.).

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