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Post by refurb »

trasz wrote: post #264
refurb wrote: post #226

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China denies the event. They just removed a memorial statue in Hong Kong. Are you seriously arguing that response is better than the US? Never mind crushing a democratic protest and killing thousands is in no way comparable to police trying to execute an arrest of a small group.

>China denies the event. It never ceases to amaze me how people still believe things like this. https://www.quora.com/What-do-Chinese-citizens-particularly-... > Are you seriously arguing that response is better than the US? Are you seriously not realising that you're making a huge assumption here? But please, tell me how putting the prime minister in house arrest for the rest of his life is a worse response than ign…

China just tore down a statue in HK commemorating the massacre.

But your telling me your quora link tells me all is fine?

Come on, your spending an awful lot of time defending a brutal dictatorship.

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Post by sizzle »

sva_ wrote: post #101

Looking through some of those detainee pictures, it is almost all men, and some older women. Gruesome implication. But I only looked through some.

Did you see the same thing I saw? Cause you can filter by age by hitting the hamburger menu icon and there were 2000+ females returned under 30 years old that I didn’t have the heart to verify scrolling through the mugshots, it really gutted me and made it painful to see this blatant miscarriage of Justice.

Everyone please go and try out the age filter, it is frightening and highly effective in humanizing the plight of these people to say the absolute least. Something needs to be done for these oppressed humans.

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #275
rayiner wrote: post #155

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My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups. Pakistan and Bangladesh, for example, are happy to suck up to China for the business opportunities. Similarly, the gulf states took few Syrian refugees during the recent crises: https://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Syrian-refugees-why-wo... . More generally, Arabs regard non-Arab Muslims as barely human—e.g. holding Bangladesh…

My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups You can't write comments like this on HN. Choose better words. You're way off your game here.

I think you’re reading in a subtext that isn’t there. Most people care mainly about what’s happening to their own nationality or ethnic group. Islam doesn’t create a unifying bond that overrides that in the same way Christianity doesn’t. It’s like how Americans don’t care especially about whats happening in France based on shared Christian identity.

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Post by ashwagary »

Sporktacular wrote: post #213
ashwagary wrote: post #196

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>more muslims have died fighting AQ and ISIS than any other religious group I think we are making the same point. Some of the largest muslim countries (Indonesia, Pakistan) don't have sympathy for many Chinese Uyghur groups because once they leave China, they train with ISIS/Al Qaeda then plan and commit terrorist acts around Asia. Many believe the Chinese are doing them a favor with their detention and deradicalizat…

How can we be making the same point? Yours rests on the statement "It's the same reason most "Muslims" don't "care" about Al Qaeda and ISIS." which is objectively untrue. Low sympathy due to a few Uyghur terrorists has nothing to do with it. There is no international political solidarity among Muslims based on faith, Palestine has proven that. That's just business and realpolitik. As for their treatment, who cares wh…

>There is no international political solidarity among Muslims based on faith, Palestine has proven that.

That statement may be true among some of the political class but it sure isn't true among the general population.

Muslims generally also dislike terrorist groups like Al Qeada, ISIS, Al Shabaab, etc. If the Chinese started locking up those groups, most muslims wouldn't "care" either.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #283
tptacek wrote: post #275

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My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups You can't write comments like this on HN. Choose better words. You're way off your game here.

I think you’re reading in a subtext that isn’t there. Most people care mainly about what’s happening to their own nationality or ethnic group. Islam doesn’t create a unifying bond that overrides that in the same way Christianity doesn’t. It’s like how Americans don’t care especially about whats happening in France based on shared Christian identity.

Yes, we're asked, repeatedly and specifically, to avoid generalizing about large groups of people --- nationalities, religions, &c. I get that you may have a vantage on this that we don't have, but you still have to be careful about how you communicate it. Some things are tricky to communicate in a forum like this; some things may be so tricky that they aren't worth communicating. I don't know. I just did a double take at the first sentence of your last comment, thought to myself "how would I react if anyone but Rayiner had written this", and told you so. That's all.

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Post by throwaway290 »

berdario wrote: post #279
throwaway290 wrote: post #195

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"Western lie debunkers" will absolutely jump at any chance to say this is a fake, but that particular take is pathetic and indicative of problems with CJK literacy. Unicode points and font glyphs are not the same thing, leading to situations where one Unicode character can be rendered as a different one (but similar) depending on OS and setup* -- and people enter and read characters by how they look, not by their Uni…

That's interesting, I didn't realize that IMEs would silently offer you choices in different sets/styles than the one preferred by the locale, and that OS fonts could actually hide the difference. If you're saying that an innocent error is what happened, you'd expect to see these weird traditional-in-simplified-context characters to appear across all sections of the documents, and not clustered together in a single p…

I believe if they can make it into a document in any number of ways (copy paste, input method, etc.) and no one would be able to tell, their existence alone is not an indicator.

That different authors could have written/rewritten/edited different parts of a document at different points in time is natural, what are reasons to think otherwise?

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Post by _tik_ »

shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

I am from a Muslim country. There are a few reasons that I can think of: China is not targeting Islam but the separatist movement. There are few Muslim ethnic groups in China. The other is Hui. The hui enjoys normal religious life without any prosecutions. The problem of Radical Islam. The rise of Radical Islam the last few years. Some of this group preaches violence and seperatism. Many Moslim feel unconfortable with the Radical Islam and prefer the govt to deal with them. The Hui Muslim does not get long well with Uighur Muslim. The Hui are motsly Sufi and anti Salafi. Most Muslim distrust western politic and news.

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Post by powerapple »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #105
enaaem wrote: post #67

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That’s why, as a westerner, I consider the Uyghur issue not to be ‘our’ problem. It’s terrible what’s happening there, but there are more than 2 billion muslims in the world who can do something about it.

“…who can do something about it.” What can they do, specifically?

They can BUY products from Xinjiang, instead of boycott it, raising the living standard of the region and people will be better off, have more choices. They can open border to people from Xinjiang if they want to go for a short term solution. The evil of everything is poverty, nothing else. No religion, no politics. Thinking how America was the paradise for immigrants in the past, no one hates immigrants when economy is good.

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Post by _tik_ »

ashwagary wrote: post #191
rayiner wrote: post #155

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My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups. Pakistan and Bangladesh, for example, are happy to suck up to China for the business opportunities. Similarly, the gulf states took few Syrian refugees during the recent crises: https://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Syrian-refugees-why-wo... . More generally, Arabs regard non-Arab Muslims as barely human—e.g. holding Bangladesh…

>My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups. It's the same reason most "Muslims" don't "care" about Al Qaeda and ISIS. Many Muslim populations, just like the Chinese, are negatively affected by Uighur terrorist and extremist groups. "Southeast Asia is witnessing evolving security risks from Chinese Uyghurs' involvement in military activities in the region." https://www.j…

Agree to this. Living in a muslim majority country. Personally direct experience 2 suicide bombing. Around one block from my office. This radical Muslim hold the whole country as a hostage. Yesterday they just have a public rally supporting terrorist.

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Post by [deleted] »

kbelder wrote: post #271
grapeskin wrote: post #132

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> In China you are a member of an ethnic minority if one of your grandparents was of that ethnicity, who themselves might only have had one grandparent of that ethnicity. I mean, America has the one drop rule too, and you’re highly suggested to pick your most minority group any time you apply to a job, school, or basically anything. So you have people who are 1/128th Cherokee trying to game diversity benefits while p…

>I mean, America has the one drop rule too No, they don't.

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