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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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What you're looking for is almost definitely deeper down the rabbit hole[1]. The problem will be getting it. [1]: https://github.com/diimdeep/awesome-split-keyboards

Which one are you referring to?

None in particular. Your only requirement AFAIK is that your dream keyboard be split, and use the ISO layout. I don't know what the ISO layout is, but I can't imagine any of those keyboards couldn't accommodate it with(out) some tinkering.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

You say the receiver will work with any OS, but is that true for their drivers? It's been a lot of years since I wrote off Logitech, but the reason I did was the lack of Linux support for the mouse I had bought.

It would constantly act like there was dust in the sensor (or so I thought) making erratic movements that could sometimes be reduced with a mouse pad. Finally I did some research and found out that without using their proprietary Windows only driver, the mouse would only operate in the lowest dpi setting.

I immediately drove to the store and bought the cheapest corded Kensington mouse they had, which was like $10 and a 1/10th of what that Logitech piece of shit cost. It was like I had a whole new computer, I spent way too long being idly frustrated with my overpriced mouse.

That was and will remain the last Logitech product I buy

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Why is the mechanical keyboard community so elitist? I don't have time to research a keyboard made by some mom and pop keyboard operation when I already know it won't work (easily if at all) with my setup. With Logitech'…

> Why is the mechanical keyboard community so elitist? I think this is a fundamental element of modern 'advertising on social media'. This and 'scarcity' of product 'drops'. My teenage son was sucked into this nonsense about two+ years ago. The PCBs for the keyboards (purchased from multiple vendors) are terribly-supported Chinese garbage. Official tech support is junk, and if you ask a keyboard community, it's taken…

Yea, I'm seeing the mechanical keyboards pop up a lot on social media and YouTube channels. It's a rage right now for sure. Yes, they can look cool, but I don't see how that justifies the price, behavior of the community, and lack of features. I guess it's a fad as much as anything else.

I personally feel my ergonomic Logitech setup looks quite sleek. But I guess it's too boring.

And I'll be honest, part of my negative opinion surrounding mechanical keyboards is from this remote work era, where it seems like all the mechanical keyboard developers are in a competition to have the loudest keyboard. Some of the mechanical keyboards make me feel I'm being assaulted over Zoom (or whatever video conferencing tool) by the loudness of their clacks. It can be extremely distracting. I can't imagine what it's like to work in an office with people with those keyboards.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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post #149

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Which one are you referring to?

None in particular. Your only requirement AFAIK is that your dream keyboard be split, and use the ISO layout. I don't know what the ISO layout is, but I can't imagine any of those keyboards couldn't accommodate it with(out) some tinkering.

Thanks, I thought you had spotted a certain model. Yes, split and ISO are a mandatory requirement, but I like the rgb lighting in that keyboard. Unfortunately, ANSI and ISO are physical different key arrangements, even if thy differ only by a few keys: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Physical_keyboard_la...

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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I seriously discourage the use of orings. Rather, new users should practice _not_ bottoming out, which is why I recommend Browns for new users.

What’s the reasoning against o-rings?

Orings reduce the total travel, probably by about 6-8mm judging by their thickness though I've not measured it. Traditional Cherries would register at about 25mm and bottom out at about 40mm. So the user would have to train to depress to at least 30 but no more than 35 mm depth. That takes practice, and practice requires making mistakes. The orings bring the bottom of the stroke up into the range where the user needs to practice releasing the key on his own. If you're bottoming out on a mechanical keyboard, you are negating the real benefit of the device.

I've not used the low-profile switches, but I believe that they activate at around 12mm and also bottom out at a lesser depth though I don't know where.

This is why I highly recommend browns (any manufacturer) for new mechanical keyboard users. It is much easier to train on the tactile browns. You could do it with blues as well, but blues are just too noisy for office work, and gamers say that they have too long a reset stroke to be good for gaming. Once the user gets used to not bottoming out on browns, moving to a Cherry red keyboard is absolutely amazing. Typing on reds feels like floating on a cloud, it becomes an enjoyable experience in its own right, once you learn to effortlessly not bottom out.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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The Logitech unifying receiver is FUBAR and no firmware updates will remedy that.

That's a pretty strong opinion on something so widely deployed and can work without any problems in a place which is very polluted with radio traffic and jamming in some frequencies. I had a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse which constantly lost connection where I live. No Logitech receiver even skipped in that place.

You say it is an opinion but Logitech did abandon the receiver because they could not fix the security and instead released the Logitech Bolt with encrypted communication between peripherals, in order to not lose more corporate customers due to crappy security.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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I got the G915 TKL, too and love it. The only thing I wish for from this version would be the dual-labeled key caps with Mac keys... But I still definitely prefer the G915. What do you like about this more? Is it because it's less flashy than the G915, maybe?

Yeah, I don't care about all the gamer-centric stuff. I wanted a wireless keyboard with firm, low profile keys and the ability to switch between several Macs easily, ideally just by plugging my hub into the laptop. This is quite nice, but I had to use Karabiner to swap Cmd and Option on the left. I still haven't been able to get the FN and "menu" keys on the right to behave. I'll have to look closely at this new keyb…

For what its worth, Mac has native settings where you can re-map the keys (which is what I did).

Here's a screenshit https://imgur.com/a/3LJtRmp

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

In that case, I would recommend looking into one of Keychron's low profile options. Firstly, they're about half the price of this Logitech board, depending on the size you choose to go with. Second, there's twice as many configurations to choose from (Full size, TKL, 75%, and 65%). Even further, they have higher quality and a greater variety in choice of switches, regardless if you choose Keychron's own or Gateron sw…

Ok, I've seen the Keychron K4 and it's the perfect layout for me. I would purchase it immediately solely on that basis, except that the Linux support appears to be very poor which makes me hesitant.

You wouldn't happen to know another wireless keyboard with the same layout as the K4, by any chance? It's also ok if it's missing the arrow keys, I just want a keyboard with the numpad but without the Insert/arrow keys block.

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