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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by micromacrofoot »

zmxz wrote: post #450
aloisdg wrote: post #432

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Home time is personal time. Here I deal with family, chores and self-connection. If you want me to learn stuff and be better and my job you will have to give me time, company time, for that. We are not machine. In France it is mandatory for the company to give time for training. Thanks unions. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/id/LEGISCTA000006189881...

Then you also don't have any problem if better candidate appears and challenges your position, right?

Where the hell are you working where someone can come in and challenge you for your job?

I’ve been working for over 30 years and this has literally never happened.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by exdsq »

CalRobert wrote: post #437
eastbound wrote: post #390

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At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

Those wages are atrocious. Perhaps you do not have a viable business model. Keep in mind that your competition is not just France. Plenty of people (myself included) took note of the terrible wages in Europe and decided that maybe those American companies with 6 figure remote jobs aren't so bad after all.

Can confirm. Went from £55k to $165k by going remote in the US

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by Jensson »

newswasboring wrote: post #448
zmxz wrote: post #429

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It takes two to tango. If you want to get paid, become someone who's useful. This attitude where employees sit like bags of potatoes waiting for knowledge to permeate their brains via osmosis is awful.

> This attitude where employees sit like bags of potatoes waiting for knowledge to permeate their brains via osmosis is awful. I think you misunderstand. A person who is getting paid is already useful. That is why they were hired. By studying you want them to be more useful and that is an extra demand over their contract.

But if things changes and you no longer need their services then should you just fire them? Telling the employee that they can keep their job if they update their skills is a nice thing to do, it is much better than just firing them without giving them a chance.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by micromacrofoot »

zmxz wrote: post #453
dunefox wrote: post #423

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You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

You can probably find a job where you’re not staying up late every night. What are you doing that’s worth sacrificing your health for?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by rozenmd »

randomsearch wrote: post #394
rozenmd wrote: post #18

companies with consistent revenue are doubling down on hiring atm - think Atlassian, Cloudflare, etc

Be wary of taking a job with a tool maker. They can be hit hardest, eventually.

I'm not so sure. Atlassian doubled down on hiring through the last slump (2008-2012) and it seems to have paid off for them.

Depends on the size of the tool maker, I guess.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

kgwgk wrote: post #462
aixi wrote: post #436

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In most EU countries that is not a good wage

Depends on your definition of good. 50k+ is above average (almost?) everywhere and is more than twice the EU average.

I think a lot of HN devs, even in Europe, live in a high earners bubble, especially if they have seniority at a good company in a hot market, and loose perspective of what the average wages really are.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by Jensson »

kortilla wrote: post #410
tomatowurst wrote: post #372

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Unfortunately this will be a 3-sigma recession. Once every 100 year type of thing. The last one lasted 10 years followed by a major world war. If you want to look at what happened to advanced economies that got a taste of credit bubbles Japan is a very good example. 40 years later and still have not reached their ATH. So if that dot com bubble lasted 2 years, this recession will last a lot longer. In addition the doo…

Why is that unfortunate? You stand to make millions if you’re correct and willing to put your money where your mouth is.

Some people just don't like risk. Lets say that you believe there is a 25% chance that this is the big one where the American centered world order comes to an end, it will happen sooner or later but this could be it. How much would you be willing to bet on that? The average returns are great, but if you miss it by 5 or 10 years now you lost all of that. That is if the paper you got afterwards have any meaning, a big enough bust will make it hard to cash out any gains.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by throttledagain2 »

UncleEntity wrote: post #376
giaour wrote: post #285

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I don't know about your experience, but 2008 was devastating to people just starting out in their careers. So far, the current economic situation feels mild in comparison.

Just before ‘08 fuel prices sharply rose because OPEC was fucking around. Currently, fuel prices sharply rose because Russia is fucking around which is also causing food prices to rise due to fertilizers and a lot of grain not able to make it to market. I can tell you from the last time when people couldn’t afford to buy gas to get to work and they were interviewing truckers on national news programs on how they will…

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by TheGigaChad »

zmxz wrote: post #411
ornornor wrote: post #392

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> - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (and we’re at the 35hrs week here), > - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, Some of your points make sense but these two…

What's wrong with those two? I'm genuinely interested, software engineers are overpaid as is with benefits that nearly every other industry can only dream about and you're upset about not being able to put extra 5 hours of time a week to improve your skills related to something that's your career? And we wonder why quality of everything is awful and why people are unreliable and entitled.

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by cinntaile »

zmxz wrote: post #453
dunefox wrote: post #423

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You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

It sounds like you're not getting paid enough for the late hours you work.
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