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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by zmxz »

californical wrote: post #426
zmxz wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a terrible person, doesn't have access to infinite money and can't afford to overpay underskilled staff.

If you can’t pay competitively for competent people, then complain that nobody wants to work for you, I think the real problem is that your business is unviable since you can’t cover the costs to operate it

Don't read what's written the way it suits you in order to come out as a better person, also commenting on someone's business with literally 0 facts means only that you're posting from an image you created in which you're good and me - evil.

Competent people are worth every penny and then some. We're all talking about incompetent ones who throw a huge shadow over the competent ones.

I think you're aware of that but you still posted what you posted. Thank you for the compassion and understanding. Guilty before trial, that's the way we do it, right? :)

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by aloisdg »

ornornor wrote: post #425
hbbio wrote: post #397

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Indeed, they should study at work.

Heresy!

Home time is personal time. Here I deal with family, chores and self-connection. If you want me to learn stuff and be better and my job you will have to give me time, company time, for that. We are not machine.

In France it is mandatory for the company to give time for training. Thanks unions.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/id/LEGISCTA000006189881...

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by sammalloy »

pcmoney wrote: post #349

Everything slows down. Almost every CFO wants to be more cautious. Some companies get more aggressive, since they want to seize the opportunity in the marketplace and possibly get talent for cheap. This typically has pros and cons for the employee. However, during recessions is historically when the actually cool stuff is built. Find companies doing real things that generate cash flows and try to target them as best…

> However, during recessions is historically when the actually cool stuff is built.

Lots of truth here, and that applies to all sectors. Creativity, invention, and innovation thrive during economic downturns. Don’t ask me why.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by ornornor »

aloisdg wrote: post #432
ornornor wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heresy!

Home time is personal time. Here I deal with family, chores and self-connection. If you want me to learn stuff and be better and my job you will have to give me time, company time, for that. We are not machine. In France it is mandatory for the company to give time for training. Thanks unions. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/id/LEGISCTA000006189881...

Indeed, I was being sarcastic.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by MandieD »

rfrec0n wrote: post #428
eastbound wrote: post #390

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At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

My student loan payments will probably be around $1200 a month after I graduate and a studio apartment in my pretty small city is $900 without utilities. I could probably survive on a $35k salary but I'd have to switch to income based repayment on my loans which would suck because I'd like to eventually be able to buy a house

That's one of the big differences: the only thing a normal person in France, Germany or the rest of western Europe* could do that involves a 1200/month repayment is buy property (or an absolutely ridiculous car). A lot of the younger employees I work with got paid while doing their bachelor's degrees because they did dual degree programs, where they're employed by a big industrial company and alternate terms having internships within the company and taking courses at the university the company partners with.

* I say "western Europe" because I know that university fees in the UK are higher, and this is the region I currently know enough to say this about, but I imagine university fees are similarly low in eastern and southern Europe.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by aixi »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #415
kortilla wrote: post #403

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> the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus You pay them such terrible wages and you’re surprised they leave? You can make $35k at in-n-out shilling beef on a bun.

Maybe they're in an European country where that would be a good wage.

In most EU countries that is not a good wage

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by CalRobert »

eastbound wrote: post #390
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

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> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

Those wages are atrocious. Perhaps you do not have a viable business model.

Keep in mind that your competition is not just France. Plenty of people (myself included) took note of the terrible wages in Europe and decided that maybe those American companies with 6 figure remote jobs aren't so bad after all.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by CalRobert »

zmxz wrote: post #431
californical wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can’t pay competitively for competent people, then complain that nobody wants to work for you, I think the real problem is that your business is unviable since you can’t cover the costs to operate it

Don't read what's written the way it suits you in order to come out as a better person, also commenting on someone's business with literally 0 facts means only that you're posting from an image you created in which you're good and me - evil. Competent people are worth every penny and then some. We're all talking about incompetent ones who throw a huge shadow over the competent ones. I think you're aware of that but y…

I agree competent people are worth every penny. Why are you not paying enough to get them?

The salaries you listed are half what they'd be in Ireland and something like a quarter - maybe less - of what they'd be in California.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by PedroBatista »

eastbound wrote: post #390
Solvitieg wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Overall, I'd say relax a bit. You're still in a good situation. Recessions are hard for many, but software engineers were among the best off during the last one and I expect will be this time also. The demand for software engineers was driven partly by zombie app and saas companies all competing for "top talent", dependent entirely on free cash but without sustainable business models. On top of that, the "demand" n…

At risk? We’ll just stop having overinflated salaries. The current situation is insane for employers: - Employees are not willing to put a little extra (paid extra, I mean - and we’re at the 35hrs week here), - Not willing to study afterwork to improve their career, - Not willing to work on legacy products where we pay them 40% more. - In the first 2 years, I can pay someone 35 -> 50 -> +10k bonus, and they’ll leave…

Although some valid points and I understand the frustration, this has some major Uncle Tom vibes.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

aixi wrote: post #436
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they're in an European country where that would be a good wage.

In most EU countries that is not a good wage

It may not be, but it's pretty standard what juniors usually make in lots of parts in Europe if you exclude fang, big tech and high rolling unicorns.
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