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Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by TekMol »

lars512 wrote: post #29
TekMol wrote: post #23

GDPR broke one of my websites that had tens of thousands of happy users. Users loved it and expressed their delight that the website exists on a daily basis. But when I tried to monetize it without ads and via Patreon instead, nobody paid. Nobody. Recently, Google said they don't think my cookie banner is GDPR conform. But gave no info why and how I could fix it. And turned off Adsense. So I finally took the plunge a…

GDPR aside, I had similar shock after getting a few million users for a viral language game, but finding that basically nobody was willing to sponsor it on Patreon, even to a level to cover the basic hosting costs. It was a little hard to process at the time.

What did you ultimately do with it?

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by TekMol »

raverbashing wrote: post #30
lars512 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR aside, I had similar shock after getting a few million users for a viral language game, but finding that basically nobody was willing to sponsor it on Patreon, even to a level to cover the basic hosting costs. It was a little hard to process at the time.

Yeah Patreon won't cut for those cases (unless there are good perks). Maybe it's easier to sell merch.

Have you done that?

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

TekMol wrote: post #23

GDPR broke one of my websites that had tens of thousands of happy users. Users loved it and expressed their delight that the website exists on a daily basis. But when I tried to monetize it without ads and via Patreon instead, nobody paid. Nobody. Recently, Google said they don't think my cookie banner is GDPR conform. But gave no info why and how I could fix it. And turned off Adsense. So I finally took the plunge a…

Google broke your website, to be clear, not the GDPR. They themselves don't comply with it. And they also regularly shut people out of Adsense for seemingly arbitrary reasons with no recourse. Bad practices from a company that treats its users like garbage is not an argument against the GDPR.

It's also not all that hard to comply with the GDPR as a small website.

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

TekMol wrote: post #23

GDPR broke one of my websites that had tens of thousands of happy users. Users loved it and expressed their delight that the website exists on a daily basis. But when I tried to monetize it without ads and via Patreon instead, nobody paid. Nobody. Recently, Google said they don't think my cookie banner is GDPR conform. But gave no info why and how I could fix it. And turned off Adsense. So I finally took the plunge a…

Is there really no way to monitise an audience with ads without collecting their personal info?

That seems more of a problem than GDPR exposing that underlying issue.

edit: seems like Google have a non-personalised ad option, but it still uses cookies:

> A Non-Personalized Ads solution (Ad Manager Help Center, AdSense Help Center) allows you to present EEA and UK users with a choice between personalized ads and non-personalized ads (or to choose to serve only non-personalized ads to all users in the EEA and the UK). Non-Personalized Ads only use contextual information, including coarse general (city-level) location. Although these ads don’t use cookies for ads personalization, they do use cookies to allow for frequency capping, aggregated ad reporting, and to combat fraud and abuse. Consent is therefore required to use cookies for those purposes from users in countries to which the ePrivacy Directive’s cookie provisions apply.

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by muro »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #34
TekMol wrote: post #23

GDPR broke one of my websites that had tens of thousands of happy users. Users loved it and expressed their delight that the website exists on a daily basis. But when I tried to monetize it without ads and via Patreon instead, nobody paid. Nobody. Recently, Google said they don't think my cookie banner is GDPR conform. But gave no info why and how I could fix it. And turned off Adsense. So I finally took the plunge a…

Is there really no way to monitise an audience with ads without collecting their personal info? That seems more of a problem than GDPR exposing that underlying issue. edit: seems like Google have a non-personalised ad option, but it still uses cookies: > A Non-Personalized Ads solution (Ad Manager Help Center, AdSense Help Center) allows you to present EEA and UK users with a choice between personalized ads and non-p…

There is a reason why personalised ads are everywhere. They save advertisers money and bring higher revenues to sites hosting them.

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

muro wrote: post #35
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really no way to monitise an audience with ads without collecting their personal info? That seems more of a problem than GDPR exposing that underlying issue. edit: seems like Google have a non-personalised ad option, but it still uses cookies: > A Non-Personalized Ads solution (Ad Manager Help Center, AdSense Help Center) allows you to present EEA and UK users with a choice between personalized ads and non-p…

There is a reason why personalised ads are everywhere. They save advertisers money and bring higher revenues to sites hosting them.

Yeah, there's also a reason our polluted rivers used to catch fire and children worked in mines, both those things were cheaper/more profitable to the decision maker too.

But have we forced every non abusive advertising platform out of business as a result of tolerating this abuse for so long?

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by mhitza »

retSava wrote: post #14
kreeben wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of GDPR is to smack companies that fail to meet it hard on the nose, so hard, in fact, that it might break. The maximum penalty is 2% of yearly turnover. That's hurtful even to megacorps. No one, not even them, needs a broken nose.

In theory yes, but so far they haven't brought the hammer onto anyone of formidable size.

    Amazon Europe Core S.à.r.l. Industry and Commerce LUXEMBOURG 746,000,000 euro Non-compliance with general data processing principles 16 Jul 2021

    WhatsApp Ireland Ltd. Media, Telecoms and Broadcasting IRELAND 225,000,000 euro Insufficient fulfilment of information obligations 02 Sep 2021
https://www.enforcementtracker.com/?insights

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by titaniczero »

fbn79 wrote: post #26

Cookie banner has ruined the whole web. - Does not protect people (99% are just fake. If you reject cookies you keep get them) - Cost money to company (so cost to customers). A simpler browser extension where you manage your preference once far all (default) with the possibility to personilize x site (think like you do for camera permission) would have solved the problem in a real way and without all the hussle.

GDPR is about personal data, not just cookies.

I agree they should have thought better of that cookie law, which is a different one. But GDPR really was and is on point.

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by solarkraft »

raverbashing wrote: post #30
lars512 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR aside, I had similar shock after getting a few million users for a viral language game, but finding that basically nobody was willing to sponsor it on Patreon, even to a level to cover the basic hosting costs. It was a little hard to process at the time.

Yeah Patreon won't cut for those cases (unless there are good perks). Maybe it's easier to sell merch.

Sponsorship (including merch) works for things people love - not stuff they casually use. In that case ads are probably the best option - but that's easily possible GDPR compliantly.

Re: Statement on 4 Years of GDPR

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Post by Jensson »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #36
muro wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a reason why personalised ads are everywhere. They save advertisers money and bring higher revenues to sites hosting them.

Yeah, there's also a reason our polluted rivers used to catch fire and children worked in mines, both those things were cheaper/more profitable to the decision maker too. But have we forced every non abusive advertising platform out of business as a result of tolerating this abuse for so long?

A non abusive advertising platform wouldn't be subjected to GDPR problems, this should make it easier for them to compete and thrive not harder. When it was legal to just collect all data about users from everywhere and sell it etc then it was impossible for good actors to compete. What we see today is that all those bad actors who profited from all those bad actions are complaining and having problems, that is a good thing.
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