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Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by throwaway290 »

fps_doug wrote: post #207
throwaway290 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very simple: 1) software renders not Unicode characters but font glyphs 2) which font glyphs are chosen depends on many factors like installed fonts, OS, language/region settings, and so on 3) people author (and read) characters by how they look on their systems, what codepoints are used is not on anyone's mind A differently configured system can uncover incorrect codepoint choices or rendering differences acros…

That happens if you have no language hints, or the wrong one, e.g. posting in Simplified Chinese on a Taiwanese website. If this was written in something like MSWord by CCP officials, it should have the proper language hint, so render properly on any OS newer than XP.

I'm not sure what you mean by language hints.

Setting aside all other assumptions you make about the soundness of their setup overall, consistency of their input methods, newness of their inventory, etc., do you actually believe they would have the fonts with traditional glyphs in them installed and used at all? What for? Remember, this applies to the system as a whole. A character would be shown as simplified by the system even during input.

Again, I tried it and I got different results in different software (even on a Mac), with Pages in particular showing only simplified characters and straight layout (in contrast to Quick Look, which is what the tweeter must have used). Do you seriously think CCP officials have a fleet of Macs to check document appearance in case they are leaked and/or scan documents for "enemy" Unicode points? If not, how they would even know what code points are there, if all they ever see is simplified?

One needs to look at vocabulary, word choices and such. That is something that could actually point to fakery. Nothing like that was claimed yet, of course.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by legalcorrection »

emptysongglass wrote: post #74
4ggr0 wrote: post #28

I hope that this is a genuine leak showing what's going on there. Just don't like the organisation behind this leak, at all, and don't really trust them. But as long as this leak is objective I can ignore this aspect. Really sickening to see what's going on in Xinjiang. EDIT: I said it's sickening to see what's going on and i strongly oppose what China is doing in Xinjang, am I really getting downvotes just because I…

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Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by legalcorrection »

tnjm wrote: post #96
1vonzhang wrote: post #89

1. The populated of "genocided" Uyghur ethnic group has increased from 10.17 million to 12.71 million from 2010 to 2018. This sort of contradicts with the concept of genocide. The increase rate of ~25% is higher than Xinjiang ~14% and much higher than the main ethnic group Han ~2%. 2. I personally tried really hard to track down a source that DOESN'T ULTIMATELY LEAD TO ADRIAN ZENZ but has failed to do so. As GameOfFr…

If you read the UN definition of genocide [0], you'll see that a population increase doesn't contradict (the UN concept of) genocide at all. The key is intent. [0] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

A convenient sleight of hand for international liberals. To the average person, genocide means extermination by mass murder. So people make that incredibly damning accusation, and then when it's pointed out that no such thing is happening, they retreat into a technical definition that no one outside of the NGO/activist world cares or knows about.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by Out_of_Characte »

throwaway4good wrote: post #47
Maakuth wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it would be helpful if you provided some grounds on why you do not trust this foundation. There are other messages in this discussion showing distrust in the foundation and Dr. Zenz, but none provide background for that.

They are untrustworthy because they are driven by strong anti-communist ideology.

I dont consider myself anti communist. I'm just against every communist regime that has ever been created in the history of mankind. The concentration camps in china are real and brutal. One must take stance against immorality no matter the ideology. If that makes me anti-communist so be it

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by Melting_Harps »

trasz wrote: post #228
Melting_Harps wrote: post #180

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> In some sense religion undermines the state. In the 21st century, especially under the CCP, they're just competing forces more than direct adversaries, they both strive to do the same thing. And for most of History, the Church was the State. It's parallels are quite visible, and now most wars are fought not for the deliberate imposition of deities, but rather for the new pantheon of self-declared god's: political l…

>And for most of History, the Church was the State. Would you agree that the "Party" in CCP is something entirely different from what this term means in the west, and that it's closer in its meaning to a secularised version of a centralised church?

Death Cult, is more like it.

People wash away the misdeeds of the CCP during COVID because it suits their agenda, all the while their were was dissent fomenting during lockdowns. Han Chinese have been starved in Shanghai, those make shift hospitals were a joke and they under reported the deaths etc...

No, I'm very open about my disdain about the CCP, it's a cancer on the World and it should be seen for what it is.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by md_ »

trasz wrote: post #220
md_ wrote: post #126

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/abortions-... , for example.

This only shows that they happen. That part is pretty well documented, but the same thing happens in Western prisons. What it doesn't show is that they were officially sanctioned, as opposed to being committed by a guard against the law.

Sure, and the Wansee Protokoll didn't come out until 1947 (and, famously, was itself quite euphemistic).

The entire topic of this thread is the disclosure of official documents which, like the Wansee Protokoll, expose the regime's real goals and practices.

Of course, there are people who still disbelieve that the Holocaust happened. I try not to argue with them online, once they have shown their true motives.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by watwut »

trasz wrote: post #216
watwut wrote: post #164

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Nah. Note how the invocation of move bombing is not even attempt to compare the level of both countries crimes historically. It is literally just attempt to "since America has/did crimes, no one is allowed to criticize China/Israel/Russia". Moreover, while USA did in fact committed crimes either on own soil or internationally, claiming that it is exactly the same as China or Russia is just wrong. America has its own…

>It is literally just attempt to "since America has/did crimes, no one is allowed to criticize China/Israel/Russia". Not at all. Please read my comment in its context: it's a response to parent's claim that this can only happen in China, because in the West the public has the right to speak out and fix it - while in reality it happens too, and simply gets ignored, sometimes without even bothering to cover it up. Also…

The whole your thing is to distract from discussing China and making it sound like China is actually ok with what it does. No it is not and nothing that happens in USA makes China actions less grave or less genocidal.

> it's a response to parent's claim that this can only happen in China, because in the West the public has the right to speak out and fix it

Not true. The parent said that in the Western countries can be pressured and the public has right and possibility to speak about issue. The implication is that therefore public pressure can be used to change the things. It was not that nothing bad in west ever happens.

> Also - ever seen the racial stats for US prisons, or for police shooting victims? Doesn't it look like a genocide to you?

Yes and actually no it does not look like genocide at all. It does look like racial bias and imprisonment rates are absurdly high. Nevertheless, it is not nearly genocide.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by 4ggr0 »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #234
throwaway4good wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are untrustworthy because they are driven by strong anti-communist ideology.

I dont consider myself anti communist. I'm just against every communist regime that has ever been created in the history of mankind. The concentration camps in china are real and brutal. One must take stance against immorality no matter the ideology. If that makes me anti-communist so be it

If these are the requirements to make you Anti-Communist I must ask - Would you be Anti-Capitalist and/or Anti-Democracy as well?

If not, why not? I think we can both find more than enough examples for evil things which were done in or because of capitalist democracies.

I would ask the same question if someone would label themselves as Anti-Capitalist. To understand why one would only be against a single of these systems/ideologies, while potentially being fine with or ignoring others.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by aaomidi »

rayiner wrote: post #155
shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

My impression is that most Muslims don’t real care about Muslims from other ethnic groups. Pakistan and Bangladesh, for example, are happy to suck up to China for the business opportunities. Similarly, the gulf states took few Syrian refugees during the recent crises: https://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Syrian-refugees-why-wo... . More generally, Arabs regard non-Arab Muslims as barely human—e.g. holding Bangladesh…

The xenophobia in these comments is amazing.

"Muslims don't care about Muslims"

Yes Muslims are just completely different types of human. Who knew!

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