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Re: Toxic Positivity

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> Airing concerns or struggles in the workplace can be really nerve-wracking. Often, we are afraid of appearing unprofessional. We fear being judged negatively. This is the perfect opportunity to practice active listening. This ^ is toxic positivity. I am not unpaid therapist for my work colleagues. I have my own problems.

finding common complaints and bitching about them together is perhaps _the_ quintessential method of social bonding.

Re: Toxic Positivity

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post #22

I agree with greatly dislike this, on the surface... but this article suffers from basically the same thing itself?! > I asked our Customer Success Champion, Natasha, about this topic. Empathy is one of her many superpowers. Groan ! ... unless I misunderstood it... now I'm wondering if the 'think positive' lead image was used unironically..?

Well after reading such a hard hitting article about toxic positivity, I am recommending job title change for a team member fixing bad data in accounts to "Account Wellness Champion".

Re: Toxic Positivity

#105

How about the toxicity of attacking positivity? This world has WAY too much negativity right now and it's downright harmful to human psyche. People are freaking giving up on the world and deciding that they should never have children because they think they'd just be bring them into a doomed world. That's when you know negativity has gone so far. Some toxic positivity on the odd occasion to counteract the nonsensical…

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> That's the reason they give when they are put a microphone in their face, in reality humans are pleasure utility maximizers, if you cannot extract any advantage out of kids then it's only natural that people won't have them.

Exactly. I know that having kids ruined my mother's life and trapped my parents in an unfulfilling relationship. Why would I want to waste my life raising kids, when it leads to misery (scientifically proven!) and requires so much money and time?

Re: Toxic Positivity

#106

As some other comments touch on, what this could be framed as is "Ruinous Empathy", which is what Kim Scott calls it in Radical Candor: https://www.radicalcandor.com/radical-candor-not-brutal-hone... . The crux of it is that it's more useful to give someone a harsh truth that will help them grow (in a tactful way, while conveying that you care about them personally) rather than trying to be nice but ultimately not he…

When people are so generously out there "helping people grow" in tactful ways, much of the time the benevolent helper doesn't actually know how to do that.

People generally make what they think are rational decisions, it always feels like extreme hubris when someone decides that they know what would be best for someone else. They can't possibly know what reasoning lead to their current course of action. Thats what makes toxic positivity toxic, its people deciding that whatever lead you to have less than a cheerleader level of positivity is irrelevant, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, because they know how you should feel about something and want to help you "course correct"

Re: Toxic Positivity

#107

I consider YouTube comments to be an example of "toxic positivity". YouTube are using AI to only show "postive" comments first, but the overall effect is a bizarre cultish "uncanny valley" approximation of how a real community react.

Youtube comments are useless for both criticism (generally censored, either by the video creator or by youtube itself) and praise (virtually always vacuous.) The only thing they are good for is adding context or relevant anecdotes. E.g. a video about an engine may have comments from retired mechanics who've serviced that engine before.

It really depends on what kind of content you're watching though. For wide swaths of content on youtube, there is nothing worthwhile that can be said in the comment section, either because youtube wouldn't show that sort of comment, or because there's earnestly nothing to be said.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#108
They recommend empathy. However, businesses trying to communicate that they care about their customers by feigning empathy (“we are sorry to hear you’re encountering this issue with our awesome product”) but not actually acting like they care (not providing useful information, not engaging with the actual problem, not actually fixing the issue) is what comes across as toxic positivity for me. At least in a business relationship, communicating empathy is a turn-off if it’s a replacement for actually being helpful.

Re: Toxic Positivity

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except then it also becomes a label to classify the undesirable as extremist.

Maybe so! .. but more likely a narcissist or sociopath in my experience.

As often as not, those are precisely the people using these weapon words.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#110
I spent several years at a SaaS which was plagued with toxic positivity. The underpinning platform was slapdash and took 4x the expected time to add features because of it. Yet the GM walked around trumpeting that we were fielding a best in class offering.

Any mention of the reality of the situation was met with replies about not being a team player and showing negativity. It was an absolute morale killer for the development and SRE teams charged with on-call rotations which resulted in exhaustion and frequent outages.

Start-up code is often naive and hastily put together. Growth pains are expected as customer count and revenue increase. Don't bullshit the situation with false positivity. Address the issues and live to fight another day.

In the end, that SaaS has slowly faded away to obsolescence due to the lack of honesty about the actual state of the union.

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