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Re: Toxic Positivity

#41

I very much agree that so-called "toxic positivity" can be a problem, but I found this article greatly lacking in any sort of substance. There are no specific examples of toxic positivity, no explanation as to why its bad other than vacuous general terms repeated ad nauseam (did she mention toxic positivity invalidates lived experiences?), and no in depth explanation as to the alternatives other than what is essentia…

Can we call the article an example of toxic filler? All filler in the guise of something genuinely helpful.

For toxic positivity, I call it old-fashioned denial, mixed in with a lot of bullshit.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#42

This is quite a thin article. Not really much to go on in either direction. I'd be interested in some better reading on the subject if anyone has any. Personally, I think I see a lot more toxic negativity than toxic positivity in the world and I've rarely heard the phrase "toxic positivity" used in a justifiable situation. Not to say that toxic positivity can't exist but quite often articles discussing it come across…

A lot of people just want to be modest and realistic. They don't like decorating things, telling half-truths or flat-out lying about the truth. Both being overly positive and being overly negative do this. However, from personal experience, most places which affect one's personal life and cannot be reasonably skipped (unless you wish to live close to a poverty wage, and even that is questionable) emphasize being more positive than need be. Negativity can more or less be skipped by just unplugging social media.

Take the classic "why did you leave your previous job" question in job interviews. Most people leave jobs over something which cannot be interpreted as anything else but negative. Bad bosses, bad managers, no growth, no opportunities, too little pay to support future goals. Yet negativity is a no-no (as is "greed" and a bunch of other things). So yes, most people are decorating or lying about the actual reason. And no, this question doesn't exactly indicate any kind of job performance, it's more like a hazing ritual. Same goes for other questions.

It's a weird kind of dystopia for people who are primarily logic driven and/or horrible at selling themselves, and don't have a skillset so in demand they can ignore those barriers. Let alone those who are vulnerable to this kind of behavior (people who are too modest for their own good and anxious to boot come to mind).

Re: Toxic Positivity

#43
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my mind, I think toxic is a byword for 'extreme behaviour'; and furthermore, extreme behaviour is often a symptom of a personality disorder at its most pronounced.

Except then it also becomes a label to classify the undesirable as extremist.

Maybe so! .. but more likely a narcissist or sociopath in my experience.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#44
How about the toxicity of attacking positivity? This world has WAY too much negativity right now and it's downright harmful to human psyche. People are freaking giving up on the world and deciding that they should never have children because they think they'd just be bring them into a doomed world. That's when you know negativity has gone so far.

Some toxic positivity on the odd occasion to counteract the nonsensical rampant toxic negativity is fine with me. It's gotten amazingly ridiculous. People are even cheering for good things to fail now out of some kind of warped jealousy.

And no, for those who thought this, I didn't read the article.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#45

Just using the word "toxic" as a binary classifier of "things I don't like" is a problem. That includes people not being positive enough.

Here it’s justified because toxic emotions poison the mind, make you oblivious to trouble, make you chase mistaken priorities etc.

Re: Toxic Positivity

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post #29

Just using the word "toxic" as a binary classifier of "things I don't like" is a problem. That includes people not being positive enough.

To my mind, I think toxic is a byword for 'extreme behaviour'; and furthermore, extreme behaviour is often a symptom of a personality disorder at its most pronounced.

I always assumed "toxic" means that it affects others it comes into contact with.

e.g. You've had a bad day at work:

Negative: Being a bit withdrawn and avoiding conversation

Toxically negative: Shouting at your wife and kids

Re: Toxic Positivity

#48

This is quite a thin article. Not really much to go on in either direction. I'd be interested in some better reading on the subject if anyone has any. Personally, I think I see a lot more toxic negativity than toxic positivity in the world and I've rarely heard the phrase "toxic positivity" used in a justifiable situation. Not to say that toxic positivity can't exist but quite often articles discussing it come across…

A lot of people just want to be modest and realistic. They don't like decorating things, telling half-truths or flat-out lying about the truth. Both being overly positive and being overly negative do this. However, from personal experience, most places which affect one's personal life and cannot be reasonably skipped (unless you wish to live close to a poverty wage, and even that is questionable) emphasize being more…

I quit my job because I was a bit bored, my new job isn't better, but at least I have 10 weeks of vacations, and my 35h a week allows me to enjoy my life without sacrificing either sleep or family when I'm not traveling.

Is this toxic positivity?

Re: Toxic Positivity

#49

For actual information about Toxic Positivity, I think the following posts and articles are likely to be much more helpful: https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-toxic-positivity-509395... https://thepsychologygroup.com/toxic-positivity/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/tired-of-being-told-cheer-up-th... And I haven't read it yet, but I saw a new book on the subject is out "Toxic Positivity: Keeping it Real in a World Obs…

> Keeping it Real

Not be confused with Dave Chappelle's sitcom https://youtu.be/D3U55usfJK8

Re: Toxic Positivity

#50

How about the toxicity of attacking positivity? This world has WAY too much negativity right now and it's downright harmful to human psyche. People are freaking giving up on the world and deciding that they should never have children because they think they'd just be bring them into a doomed world. That's when you know negativity has gone so far. Some toxic positivity on the odd occasion to counteract the nonsensical…

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