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Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by ciphol »

tsss wrote: post #146
shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

Religion is only an excuse for hate and violence. Most of the population has already found their favorite enemy in the west, primarily USA, Germany, Israel. State actors and other powerful people have nothing to gain by antagonizing China, who doesn't give a damn. Wait until there is a border dispute between China and Pakistan and suddenly the Muslim world will care about Xinjiang.

Good thing then that we have atheist countries like China who never use violence against anyone...

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Post by refurb »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #122
james-redwood wrote: post #108

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Where are the death camps? The gas chambers? This comment has no place on HN for sheer idiocy and sensationalism.

> Where are the death camps? The gas chambers? This comment has no place on HN for sheer idiocy and sensationalism. Gaza itself is an open air internment camp, under Israeli occupation; they use illegal munitions on civilian targets, and claim that its extremist reside within those homes. Their is a literal wall surrounding all of Gaza in order to keep them in place, and you have the audacity to make such a claim? An…

I find it funny when Israel is accuse of "controlling the borders of Gaza". I mean, by the same logic, the US controls the borders of Canada.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by dontbenebby »

Hi int_10h,

Thanks for posting this interesting link!

I'm surprised Cloudflare is blocking me from viewing this site via Tor Browser from one of my favorite cyber cafés. Instead I need to load a domain that's going to put me on all sorts of... radar... and enable Javascript?

Feels bad man.

Oh, look, now as I try to access it I'm getting a 520 error, let's throw a !wayback shebang into the search bar since I already made sure to set my search engine as... uh... not Bing.

Ahhh, here we go.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220524110417/https://www.xinji...

For context, I'm from the suburbs of Pittsburgh, and seriously considered joining the FBI when I left college, but ironically the reason I didn't was because they never sorted out how to handle to the duality of the counter intel mission with the more traditional stuff like... busting bank robbers.

I'm going to get up every morning and make posts like this on the internet, with the same damn defcon bag next to me I have for over ten years.

- Greg from Troop 262

PS: And Mike Nelson, if you're reading this, sorry I called you while you're driving, you could have let it go to voicemail rather than pick up then being angry you're talking on the phone while you're driving -- you know I'm always willing to reply :-)

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by watwut »

cies wrote: post #150
refurb wrote: post #134

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Did you read your own link? The "Aftermath" section where several courts condemned those actions and awarded substantial awards to the victims. The City apologized. Independent commissions condemned the decision. Can you please list all of the acts of restitution that the Chinese government has done since 1989? Oh, and ignoring all that, you're posting an awful lot of whataboutisms . I count about 9 of them so far. W…

While you are right, I think GP still has a point. Those responsible for the MOVE massacre walked from it. The broader point I think GP tries to make is: the west should not be so quick to point fingers, especially not while it's own fingers are covered in blood. The US likes to same "human rights violations" about other nations, but then commits many themselves every year, and claims to be above the The Hague court.…

Nah. Note how the invocation of move bombing is not even attempt to compare the level of both countries crimes historically. It is literally just attempt to "since America has/did crimes, no one is allowed to criticize China/Israel/Russia".

Moreover, while USA did in fact committed crimes either on own soil or internationally, claiming that it is exactly the same as China or Russia is just wrong. America has its own authoritarians trying to destroy its own democracy. It is has its own sociopaths in leadership too. And still, it is not currently commuting genocide, unlike China or Russia. And whatever wrong America did does not mean it is ok for China or Russia to be imperial or genocidal until America fills itself with angels only.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by throwaway052422 »

ciphol wrote: post #156
throwaway052422 wrote: post #152

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Conversely, I've seen many people in the U.S. argue that terrorist attacks from extremists justified a harsh national security response when the attacks happen to countries like the United States or Israel. Then these same people completely ignore the numerous terrorist attacks from extremists that China has faced[1], and say a strong national security response is completely unjustified. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/…

Nobody argues that attacks on the US or Israel justify the US or Israel putting their Muslim population into camps like China does.

Many neutral observers agree that Gaza has been turned into a defacto open air concentration camp, a small plot of land that Israel and Egypt keep people and supplies from freely moving about, and assert military control over. Naturally, people sympathetic to the government will try to paint it in a better light, but the same is true with Xinjiang.

Things are never 100% the same, so people can always argue "When _I_ do it it's different." For instance, people in Xinjiang are Chinese citizens, and when they leave the camps they can go anywhere in China, and have the same legal rights. People in Gaza, conversely, are supposed to be members for life, with restricted rights, and this is to be a generational condition (many children are stuck in Gaza as well).

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Post by falsepromises »

skitout wrote: post #153
lazylion2 wrote: post #140

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"almost exactly the same situation" Did the Muslims in Xinjiang declare a war against China? did they blow up Chinese buses or shoot thousands of rockets at Chinese civilians ?

There have been several (terrorist) attacks against Chinese civilians in Xinjiang over the years. The perpetrators have been lone wolfs, and people part of organized groups. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict Personally I think that attack on civilians cannot justify the actions of Chinese state or of the Israeli state (massive repression against civilians and continued colonization). And…

Yeah, a lot of the issues have to do with the systemic denial of resources and oppression in the region. For the most part like in most of Mainland China, the goal of the CCP has been to convert the local ethnic groups and populations to a singular Han identity. Accompanying this being that they both actively send people from the Mainland over to take over jobs of the local inhabitants it's pretty clear why a lot of this is occurring. A lack of respect for the locals and the systemic destruction of their identity leaving them with nothing. A strategy used by the CCP in China since their great cultural revolution of the early 60s.

Though the CCP claim to not be doing so, it's been a trademark of their party for generations and overall, nothing new. We're just seeing a glimpse of it now, because of the dawn of the internet age.

If you want to see more there are several Chinese state sponsored English media outlets that cover it in great detail, though they like to pretend to have no affiliation. Continued development in the region is expected along with the belt and road initiatives. And a long list of other issues as well.

If you want an unbiased source of information about the ongoing event in China check out. https://www.neican.org

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Post by dr_faustus »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #59
dr_faustus wrote: post #40

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I also find that interesting in contrast to the constant outrage about the situation of Palestinians in Israel which certainly has many highly problematic aspects but to me still seems to be a far cry from the situation of Muslims in China or the treatment of the predominantly Muslim Chechnians by Russia. It seems to be quite hypocritical by the governments of Muslim countries.

It is not a far cry, it is in fact almost exactly the same situation, although to my knowledge the crimes of Israel are much more well documented by many sources. Also note that it has taken almost a decade to get to this level of awareness and still to this day Israel critics are called anti-semites and worse. Hopefully more widespread awareness and outrage about the treatment of Muslims in Xinjiang comes soon. EDIT…

Ok, so: Israel has currently ~4500 Palestinians detained = China has about 1.8m Uygurs in internment camps = 14% [2]

I would call that a far cry.

Also, many other statistics of welfare, e.g. child mortality or GPD/capita in the West Bank and Gaza are about the same or better than in the neighboring countries (Jordan, Egypt). On the other hand, there seems to be quite substantial evidence for mass sterilizations and abortions forced on Uygurs in China. I have never heard of anything like that committed by Israel.

Again, I do believe that there are overreaches and overreactions on the Israeli side to actions by the Palestinians and there are innocent lives lost on both sides. I really hope, that they at some point manage to either live together peacefully or agree on a two state solution.

But there is a very substantial difference between that and the plight of the Uygurs.

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/17/infographic-how-man... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#Inside_internm...

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by DFHippie »

dillondoyle wrote: post #19
coffeeblack wrote: post #8

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How so? It seems to be to completely different levels.

Completely different scale, they are a government perpetrating genocide on their own citizens, could go on and on how they aren't the same. But the top photo of prisoner with hood and handcuffs and brutish looking military/security look very similar to some of the gross photos we saw of abuse at gitmo. Might be me putting too much emotion onto it but the guard with the bat looks like a smirk, like how the criminals a…

I think you're confusing Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. It's the latter where sadistic guards took photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...

Ugh. The pictures in that article are horrendous. The "patriots" will say (and in fact do say -- see the linked article about Lyndie England) that the real crime is not the acts committed but making them public. The same is true of course in China with Tiananmen Square or in Russia with the current military operation.

It's funny how self-declared patriots seem to specialize in making the rest of the world hate and revile their country.

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