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Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by oreally »

chrischen wrote: post #7
GameOfFrowns wrote: post #3

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Could you explain his controversy (I wasn't able to find anything on a quick Google search)?

Here's a quora: https://www.quora.com/How-credible-are-Adrian-Zenz-one-of-th...

and a quote:

" Zenz’ academic qualifications, much touted, don’t stand up to much scrutiny. His h-index is 12, about a quarter of the 40 that a ‘good’ academic should have, especially a mid-career 47-year old. His roles are all with anti-China think tanks, not academic positions. He’s in a bubble of anti-Communism and anti-China funding and thinking, not in academia. "

And I recall a whole google doc on Adrian Zenz's research somewhere on reddit too.

And to add in a more geopolitical element, China is the rising power to western hegemony, and this is part of the west's image smearing techniques - pick an story that pushes a narrative you want against an adversary, and don't verify it thoroughly. Points like 'the US has bombed muslim countries for a decade and now they're suddenly like 'oh we love muslims'' still stand strong. Be aware of that.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by Maakuth »

4ggr0 wrote: post #28

I hope that this is a genuine leak showing what's going on there. Just don't like the organisation behind this leak, at all, and don't really trust them. But as long as this leak is objective I can ignore this aspect. Really sickening to see what's going on in Xinjiang. EDIT: I said it's sickening to see what's going on and i strongly oppose what China is doing in Xinjang, am I really getting downvotes just because I…

I suppose it would be helpful if you provided some grounds on why you do not trust this foundation. There are other messages in this discussion showing distrust in the foundation and Dr. Zenz, but none provide background for that.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by signatoremo »

trasz wrote: post #35
signatoremo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to show those similar testimonies so we can compare?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_St... , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_in_the_United_States , I’m sure there’s more on Wikipedia alone.

Ugh, the question is about systemic torture. Your counterpoints are not. As terrible as the condition in US prisons can be, those prisoners are convicted. The only crimes the millions of Uyghurs committed are being of a certain race and practicing a certain religion.

Your profile says, “Hates when people get killed, especially for religion and oil”, yet you seem to be completely contradictory in that regards throughout this thread.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by ChemSpider »

4ggr0 wrote: post #28

I hope that this is a genuine leak showing what's going on there. Just don't like the organisation behind this leak, at all, and don't really trust them. But as long as this leak is objective I can ignore this aspect. Really sickening to see what's going on in Xinjiang. EDIT: I said it's sickening to see what's going on and i strongly oppose what China is doing in Xinjang, am I really getting downvotes just because I…

This is an effort by many. So cut that crap. If you have real doubts spell them out clearly.

Journalists e. g. from German Spiegel.de and other participating newspapers found and spoke directly with relatives of these people, and thus verified that the data leak is real.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by DocTomoe »

shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

This may be related to the relatively lax response of western governments as compared to the 'full out riot control' approach China takes [1]. As for the international level, China is following a carrot and stick approach there [2] - and they have a long memory [3]

[1] For a contemporary example in that region, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_rio... [2] https://ecfr.eu/publication/china_great_game_middle_east/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Turkey_relations...

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by throwaway4good »

Maakuth wrote: post #42
4ggr0 wrote: post #28

I hope that this is a genuine leak showing what's going on there. Just don't like the organisation behind this leak, at all, and don't really trust them. But as long as this leak is objective I can ignore this aspect. Really sickening to see what's going on in Xinjiang. EDIT: I said it's sickening to see what's going on and i strongly oppose what China is doing in Xinjang, am I really getting downvotes just because I…

I suppose it would be helpful if you provided some grounds on why you do not trust this foundation. There are other messages in this discussion showing distrust in the foundation and Dr. Zenz, but none provide background for that.

They are untrustworthy because they are driven by strong anti-communist ideology.

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by thriftwy »

dr_faustus wrote: post #40
shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

I also find that interesting in contrast to the constant outrage about the situation of Palestinians in Israel which certainly has many highly problematic aspects but to me still seems to be a far cry from the situation of Muslims in China or the treatment of the predominantly Muslim Chechnians by Russia. It seems to be quite hypocritical by the governments of Muslim countries.

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Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by throwaway4good »

shellfishgene wrote: post #33

I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…

The short answer is that the Uyghur cause has been mostly promoted by American neo-conservative pro-Israel interests.

(This maybe changing though.)

Re: The Xinjiang Police Files

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Post by ChemSpider »

dragonelite wrote: post #45

uuhm what a timing just when UN sends a inspector to xinjiang this website shows up xD..

Human rights organizations and investigative press should and must plan for maximum exposure. Very clever timing and I congratulate whoever planned that.

Had that been released e. g. 3 days after the Russian attack on Ukraine started, hardly anybody would have noticed.

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