Finland’s Green Party endorses nuclear power

Post by ncmncm » Mon, May 23, 2022, 6:53 PM UTC

yodelshady wrote: post #139

epistasis wrote: post #16

This is great, and hopefully it will stop the premature shutdown of existing nuclear reactors. But it's pretty tiny climate news overall. Nuclear reactors are aging out and nobody in Western Europe or the US seems to know how to build in a cost competitive way anymore. Deploying 5GW of solar and storage, or 3-4GW of wind, is far easier, faster, and cheaper than trying to build a new reactor, which won't come on line…

> 5GW of solar [in Finland] Okay I'm afraid that's it for me. Being on a discussion board that has to debate "is deploying solar in Finland a good idea?" is not worth it. Incidentally, yes, it took Finland 10 years to build their last reactor. They commissioned it a week or so ago, mere days before Russia disconnected them. Literally nothing we can effectively do to mitigate climate change takes <5 any more, includin…

Post by BoxOfRain » Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #73

BoxOfRain wrote: post #9

If the Greens in England and Wales dropped their opposition to nuclear and also binned off a few of their more anti-egalitarian positions (I cannot in good faith support criminal sentencing where a man goes to jail but a woman doesn't for the same crime for example) and I'd probably vote for them at this point. They've only recently been seen as a 'serious' party with mainstream appeal but climate change doesn't real…

Given that no party accurately matches 100% of your policies and that they’re unlikely to achieve a majority and force through the less-palatable-to-you policies (regardless of what they are) it’s probably best to vote based on the critically important issues, which currently is pretty much the climate crisis.

Post by DANK_YACHT » Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

Krasnol wrote: post #178

DANK_YACHT wrote: post #170

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Germany derives 25% of its energy consumption from natural gas. In order to remove this, they'll need to replace it with something. If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. In no universe can they simply swap 25% of their energy consumption within a year without additional infrastructure.

> Germany derives 25% of its power consumption from natural gas. It's been barely over 10% in 2021. -10% from the previous year. Please stop spreading lies anybody can google up in seconds: https://strom-report.de/download/strommix-2021-deutschland/ > If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. They obviously don't because it took them one year to get rid of 10% of it already. Without…

Post by BoxOfRain » Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:11 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #38

BoxOfRain wrote: post #9

If the Greens in England and Wales dropped their opposition to nuclear and also binned off a few of their more anti-egalitarian positions (I cannot in good faith support criminal sentencing where a man goes to jail but a woman doesn't for the same crime for example) and I'd probably vote for them at this point. They've only recently been seen as a 'serious' party with mainstream appeal but climate change doesn't real…

> a few of their more anti-egalitarian positions (I cannot in good faith support criminal sentencing where a man goes to jail but a woman doesn't for the same crime for example) That's nuts, haven't heard that before (not that I'm a supporter or anything), any more info on that - what crime for example? Searching not turning up much, since it's being sued for the opposite sexism at the moment; grepping https://policy…

Post by simion314 » Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:20 PM UTC

ncmncm wrote: post #192

simion314 wrote: post #185

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How? Magic ? I will buy solar panel for my home now and disconnect from the grid if you are capable provide me with a storage product that makes sense. AFAIK there are no batteries that are safe and make economical sense today and I have no clue what you storage thing you allude too that can be built in 1 year (very convenient of you not to mention what exactly it is you think that storage is that will appear this ye…

The topic is utility-scale storage. For your house, batteries is currently your best alternative. New battery tech is coming online which may turn out to scale down to single home use. Or may not. But even lithium storage gets cheaper every year. The right mix of storage technologies will very widely according to where it serves.