The SEO optimized site, smallbiztrends.com, lists six large format laser printers though! Their title is for eight of them though, and two of them are inkjets, and I'm assuming they didn't change their list in response to the video.
A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
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#22Meta: this is a video with Adam Savage (perhaps most widely known from hosting Mythbusters on TV) from Tested.com. Perhaps would have been worth at least naming him in the title, since the source of a video rant can influence one's interest in clicking.
Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#23Anything A3+ (13” x 19”) or smaller in the commercial printing industry is pretty universally considered “small format”. (Some places consider anything sheet-fed as small format and sheets come a lot bigger than A3+.) It’s not surprising that searching using a specific industry term that’s different from your understanding of it would bring results for that larger-than-you-thought category of product. Further, the sm…
Are there even lasers in the large format (50cm+ x roll of paper) realm? I thought it was all ink plotters/printers, at least that's all I've seen in print shops or design places. A lack of lasers might contributes to the SEO spam for the odd terms.
Maybe `a3 laser` or `wide format laser` ?
Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#24Meta: this is a video with Adam Savage (perhaps most widely known from hosting Mythbusters on TV) from Tested.com. Perhaps would have been worth at least naming him in the title, since the source of a video rant can influence one's interest in clicking.
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Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#25Anything A3+ (13” x 19”) or smaller in the commercial printing industry is pretty universally considered “small format”. (Some places consider anything sheet-fed as small format and sheets come a lot bigger than A3+.) It’s not surprising that searching using a specific industry term that’s different from your understanding of it would bring results for that larger-than-you-thought category of product. Further, the sm…
So a printing industry professional looking for a web printer wouldn’t at all be upset with getting procedurally generated listicles about inkjet printers?
Clearly the problem here isn’t Adam’s lack of industry knowledge. Had he been served the correct results for his query he would have instantly learned what large format means in the industry and would have adjusted his query accordingly. The problem is that Google helps scammers and spammers at the expense of legitimate creators. Just like removing the like/dislike ratio on YouTube, which of course has caused a big increase in generated spam.
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#26It seems like maybe both large format and laser printer is such a niche product that any site actually talking about it does not have enough SEO juice to overpower these spam sites despite relevancy. The sad thing is these articles seem to be just keyword stuffing because those printers mentioned on that website are all literally not laser printers despite the text saying they are... The problem is Google has no comp…
just trying to go directly to the main manufacturers websites... it's really hard tot find a large format laser printer. So it seems anything talking about large format printer is going to dominate, and any mention of "laser" on those pages is going to do well if you search for laser also. I get lots of hits on the large format page where "laser" is another menu option. I found some on xerox, surprised that didn't ra…
I think the idea is that "laser" should have filtered out the results he was seeing, but it didn't. Furthermore the content on the pages is explicitly lying about the fact that they are laser printers and drowning out the pages that aren't lying. It could just be that Pagerank doesn't work for this type of information organization anymore. It may not be a Google problem but an internet search and Pagerank problem, especially if Bing and Duck Duck Go aren't any better in this regard.
People add Reddit to their searches specifically to add some social context to this information retrieval, rather than purely spam-filled Pagerank-based information retrieval.
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#27It seems like maybe both large format and laser printer is such a niche product that any site actually talking about it does not have enough SEO juice to overpower these spam sites despite relevancy. The sad thing is these articles seem to be just keyword stuffing because those printers mentioned on that website are all literally not laser printers despite the text saying they are... The problem is Google has no comp…
I find it curious that everyone trots out this idea that Reddit is a google killer etc. Are people serious? Nearly every time I go to Reddit it is a toxic cesspool of hate and intolerance. In the occasional times I land in a subreddit that is not, it is either some totalitarian echo-chamber that is moderated to within an inch of it's life, or its just full of low-quality posts or automated bot spam. Am I just unlucky…
I miss usenet
Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've lost count of the number of times I add 'reddit' to my google search queries.
Sure but most of the time reddit is completely unable to provide a decent answer to any non banal search. And whenever I tried to directly ask something specific in a dedicated subreddit it always ends up in one of the following: - I'm violating one of their moderator rules - wrong subreddit try this one, you try that one and they recommend the first - not enough upvotes for the question to be seen by anyone - short…
It’s been said the best way to get answers promptly online is to provide an incorrect one. Maybe a strategy to overcome the attention span issue would be to open a sockpuppet account to intentionally seed misinformation until someone catches it and feels compelled to respond?
Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#29It seems like maybe both large format and laser printer is such a niche product that any site actually talking about it does not have enough SEO juice to overpower these spam sites despite relevancy. The sad thing is these articles seem to be just keyword stuffing because those printers mentioned on that website are all literally not laser printers despite the text saying they are... The problem is Google has no comp…
I find it curious that everyone trots out this idea that Reddit is a google killer etc. Are people serious? Nearly every time I go to Reddit it is a toxic cesspool of hate and intolerance. In the occasional times I land in a subreddit that is not, it is either some totalitarian echo-chamber that is moderated to within an inch of it's life, or its just full of low-quality posts or automated bot spam. Am I just unlucky…
What you're complaining about has nothing to do with the reason reddit is actually more useful than google.
The problem with google is that for any query remotely commercial or product related the results are useless garbage.
Reddit is better in that respect because subreddits devoted to hobbies or sections of industries have real people who somewhat know what they're talking about and are moderated to suppress the spam/shilling.
Is it perfect? No. Is it way better than whatever the hell google is doing? Oh yes.
Re: A rant about search engine results for large format laser printers [video]
#30I searched for a particular piece of music gear using the shopping tab on Google the other day and they show you the results starting from the cheapest price, well the 1st result was like half the rest of legitimate shops and it was this stupid blog which was linking to Amazon with affiliate links that was worthless because the price was wrong.