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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by rascul »

denton-scratch wrote: post #59
mwint wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a stray round coming from a neighbor's house Any statistics on how often this happens? Feels like a “shot by a swimming dog” scenario.

I simply assumed it must happen often enough to be quantified. So I searched for /"stray round" "neighbour's house"/. I got: About 48 results (0.32 seconds) It looks like there aren't many great matches for your search And none of those results matched the scenario under discussion. I imagine it would be a newsworthy event, so perhaps it just doesn't happen?

Try /"stray bullet" "neighbor"/ and you'll get the results you're looking for.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by jcims »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #69
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #48

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Eh. I live in a state where a lot of people own firearms, myself included, and have open carry laws as well as concealed carry permits. It really isn't a big deal. Unfortunately humans are humans and, worse, Americans are Americans, and crazy people go crazy and do crazy person shit with a lot more regularity than we'd like, which is only compounded by easy access to firearms. But I'm willing to bet most of my neighb…

I grew up in a place where gun ownership was the norm, and I have had a gun pulled on me in anger following a mutual fault car accident. People fuck up and get mad, confrontation happens. It is better for everyone if having firearms at hand is not the norm. Aside from that I also caught a stray bullet in the hand when I was 15. I was in the woods, it was hunting season, I should have known better, etc etc. Hundreds o…

>The rural american attitude towards guns is indefensible. It just is.

Case closed! Damn, all that time wasted arguing. lol

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by diego_moita »

It is so weird to see Americans talking about guns...

When you live in a society without guns everywhere, the notion that law-abiding citizens don't need and don't want guns is just plain obvious, like "water is wet and the wind blows". Civilized life is life with low crime so you don't need guns. They're far more trouble than solution.

But talk an American talk about gun control and they go full crazy on "socialist tyranny" and "from my cold dead hands!". They just can't grasp it.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by csande17 »

rascul wrote: post #71
denton-scratch wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I simply assumed it must happen often enough to be quantified. So I searched for /"stray round" "neighbour's house"/. I got: About 48 results (0.32 seconds) It looks like there aren't many great matches for your search And none of those results matched the scenario under discussion. I imagine it would be a newsworthy event, so perhaps it just doesn't happen?

Try /"stray bullet" "neighbor"/ and you'll get the results you're looking for.

Most of these results appear to be describing homes struck by bullets from gun ranges, so at the very least you should avoid living in the line of fire of a gun range.

If, say, a neighbor did try to stop a robbery by shooting at the perpetrators, and in the process a bullet hit a neighboring home, that would probably be reported as a "shootout" or an "act of heroism" or something, not a "stray bullet".

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by ourmandave »

User23 wrote: post #62
nostromo wrote: post #58

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I suppose I am, yes. Not of all blind people of course, but of one that owns and fires a gun. How can a blind person shoot a gun in a responsible way?

> How can a blind person shoot a gun in a responsible way? Don’t be simple-minded. Blind people can shoot a gun responsibly the same as anyone else: be sure of your target and what’s behind it. Yes, that’s more difficult for persons that have impaired or even no usable vision, but knowing many legally blind persons I can assure you that they are responsible firearms owners.

...be sure of your target and what’s behind it.

How?

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by philjohn »

WallyFunk wrote: post #2

> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

Have these zip codes been normalised for socioeconomic factors, otherwise this could very well be correlation and not causality.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by technothrasher »

3-cheese-sundae wrote: post #36
wyldfire wrote: post #34

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Unholstering it and holding it down at your waist is still very threatening. And while it's not common, it definitely happens here in the US.

That’s called brandishing and it’s still illegal

Depends upon the jurisdiction. For instance, there was a bill in Massachusetts in 2013 that had a provision making brandishing illegal, but the bill did not pass. There are no current statutes that I am aware of making brandishing specifically illegal in the state. Case law does reference brandishing quite a bit (mostly with a knife) and is used most often to show intent or where an assault or other crime has also taken place. (e.g. a perpetrator brandished a knife and then ordered a victim to perform an action against their will, or a perpetrator brandished a firearm to win an argument and was then found not to have a license for it).

Brandishing alone could be considered an assault I suppose, but I don't really see that much in case law. I think because its pretty rare for somebody to brandish a weapon with intent to harm and then not follow up with further criminal actions.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by jonhohle »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #69
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh. I live in a state where a lot of people own firearms, myself included, and have open carry laws as well as concealed carry permits. It really isn't a big deal. Unfortunately humans are humans and, worse, Americans are Americans, and crazy people go crazy and do crazy person shit with a lot more regularity than we'd like, which is only compounded by easy access to firearms. But I'm willing to bet most of my neighb…

I grew up in a place where gun ownership was the norm, and I have had a gun pulled on me in anger following a mutual fault car accident. People fuck up and get mad, confrontation happens. It is better for everyone if having firearms at hand is not the norm. Aside from that I also caught a stray bullet in the hand when I was 15. I was in the woods, it was hunting season, I should have known better, etc etc. Hundreds o…

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it most definitely was the fault of the shooter who did not follow basic firearm safety rules (either not knowing what they were shooting at or what was beyond what they were shooting at). Firearm ownership is a right, but also must be taken seriously and responsibly. Regardless of the “mistake”, the offender should have been charged (hopefully with a felony).

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by [deleted] »

nostromo wrote: post #58
User23 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that blind people are somehow irresponsible on account of their disability?

I suppose I am, yes. Not of all blind people of course, but of one that owns and fires a gun. How can a blind person shoot a gun in a responsible way?

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