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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by JKCalhoun »

therealjumbo wrote: post #35
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of thinking directly brought about WW1 as well as the Cuban missile crisis. If everyone was armed then society's short-fused lunatics are the ones most likely to misjudge a situation and start shooting first over something trivial. Goes a long way to explaining most shootings by the police too.

CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.

Reading a lot lately about "criminals" then brandishing during road rage incidents.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#52

Post by nostromo »

ourmandave wrote: post #40

Getting a gun permit in TN is actually rather restrictive compared to say, Iowa, where they approve them for blind people. https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/eligibilityrequiremen...

That sounds like an interesting legal case.

On one hand, the state shouldn’t block one’s civil rights because one is disabled.

On the other hand, blind gun-owner.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#53

Post by mwint »

ourmandave wrote: post #38

We use detailed crime and handgun carry permit data for the city of Memphis to estimate the impact of publicity about the database on burglaries. We find that burglaries increased in zip codes with fewer gun permits, and decreased in those with more gun permits, after the database was publicized. So to reduce my chances of house robbery just get a gun permit. You don't even need to own a gun and all the hazards that…

> a stray round coming from a neighbor's house

Any statistics on how often this happens? Feels like a “shot by a swimming dog” scenario.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#54

Post by nadavwr »

therealjumbo wrote: post #35
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of thinking directly brought about WW1 as well as the Cuban missile crisis. If everyone was armed then society's short-fused lunatics are the ones most likely to misjudge a situation and start shooting first over something trivial. Goes a long way to explaining most shootings by the police too.

CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.

A quick google search brought up a statistic from Pittsburgh 2008 where roughly 1/5 of perpetrators were the legal owners of the gun used in a crime.

Gun crimes are so much more prevalent in the US vs practically any other developed country. Usually by leaps and bounds. Australia used to have around 20% of US gun death rate for years. In 1996 they introduced strict gun control laws. Decline in gun deaths was gradual, but over some 15 years they went down by some 70%.

Gun control can work.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#55

Post by User23 »

nostromo wrote: post #52
ourmandave wrote: post #40

Getting a gun permit in TN is actually rather restrictive compared to say, Iowa, where they approve them for blind people. https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/eligibilityrequiremen...

That sounds like an interesting legal case. On one hand, the state shouldn’t block one’s civil rights because one is disabled. On the other hand, blind gun-owner.

Are you implying that blind people are somehow irresponsible on account of their disability?

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by queuebert »

nostromo wrote: post #33
Glyptodon wrote: post #10

I'm a bit surprised, I would have guessed publishing permit holder locations would have lead to organized and targeted attempts to monitor and steal guns from the households listed. (In the same sort of way I'd expect people to smash and grab a truck with an NRA sticker to maybe find a gun in the glove box.) Edit: Would it be different if the publication didn't bin by zip code?

Targeting and burglarizing homes of known gun-owners seems like a great way to have a very short criminal career.

I don't know about homes, but I suspect there is a reason that Nashville is #1 in thefts of guns from cars.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#57

Post by staticautomatic »

User23 wrote: post #42
staticautomatic wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also could be civil assault

There’s a wide misconception that assault is an act if violence but legally it’s merely the unlawful threat of violence, which is of course implied by actual unlawful violence. Unholstering or otherwise displaying a firearm is assault by definition unless there’s a justifiable reason to do so. Edit: re: assault: https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/assault-an... “In most states, an assault or battery is…

Maybe. Depending on the state I’d bet there’s common law saying otherwise.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#58

Post by nostromo »

User23 wrote: post #55
nostromo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like an interesting legal case. On one hand, the state shouldn’t block one’s civil rights because one is disabled. On the other hand, blind gun-owner.

Are you implying that blind people are somehow irresponsible on account of their disability?

I suppose I am, yes. Not of all blind people of course, but of one that owns and fires a gun.

How can a blind person shoot a gun in a responsible way?

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#59

Post by denton-scratch »

mwint wrote: post #53
ourmandave wrote: post #38

We use detailed crime and handgun carry permit data for the city of Memphis to estimate the impact of publicity about the database on burglaries. We find that burglaries increased in zip codes with fewer gun permits, and decreased in those with more gun permits, after the database was publicized. So to reduce my chances of house robbery just get a gun permit. You don't even need to own a gun and all the hazards that…

> a stray round coming from a neighbor's house Any statistics on how often this happens? Feels like a “shot by a swimming dog” scenario.

I simply assumed it must happen often enough to be quantified. So I searched for /"stray round" "neighbour's house"/. I got:

  About 48 results (0.32 seconds) 
  It looks like there aren't many great matches for your search
And none of those results matched the scenario under discussion. I imagine it would be a newsworthy event, so perhaps it just doesn't happen?

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

#60

Post by yucky »

nadavwr wrote: post #54
therealjumbo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.

A quick google search brought up a statistic from Pittsburgh 2008 where roughly 1/5 of perpetrators were the legal owners of the gun used in a crime. Gun crimes are so much more prevalent in the US vs practically any other developed country. Usually by leaps and bounds. Australia used to have around 20% of US gun death rate for years. In 1996 they introduced strict gun control laws. Decline in gun deaths was gradual,…

>In 1996 they introduced strict gun control laws. Decline in gun deaths was gradual, but over some 15 years they went down by some 70%.

Gun deaths worldwide fell precipitously during that same time frame, including in the US. 1994 was the peak of gun violence, and fell almost every years since then until the BLM riots and the ACAB crowd scared cops out of doing their job.

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