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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by midasuni »

est31 wrote: post #565
withinboredom wrote: post #513

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This is the biggest thing to me. When I’m on a train, I can text, call, and even get some work done. When I’m driving, it’s actually quite dangerous to attempt those things; and not only for me, but the other people driving around me.

In theory you can, but reception is notoriously bad in german trains. They know about it though and are constantly looking for improvements, e.g. the change a few years ago to allow for free wifi, or developments of glass technology. Links in german. https://www.golem.de/news/deutsche-bahn-wlan-im-ice-wird-kos... https://www.golem.de/news/statt-repeater-bahn-holt-5g-durch-...

Same in the U.K. a colleague drove me up the motorway a couple of days ago and I was in the passenger seat sshed into a server for the trip and didn’t have any issue with dropped connectivity.

Can’t do that on the train, there’s a ton of “not spots”, even excluding the tunnels.

It’s crazy the phone companies don’t have better coverage on the train line.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by midasuni »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #333
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

Why not take the train that leaves half an hour later?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by llampx »

IMTDb wrote: post #337
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

> I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important. OP was explicitly comparing car and trains, not flight and trains. If that's the case, then we are more in the context of a "city trip", and Hamburg -> Berlin might not be the most representative case. Something along the line of Hamburg -> Rome is m…

This comparison (Hamburg to Rome) is silly. The thread is about the 9€ ticket, which is only valid on regional trains in Germany and the point is to save money for consumers and save the environment by replacing car journeys with train journeys. Bringing in a red herring like a cross-country trip helps no one.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by nnt38 »

0x008 wrote: post #522
MandieD wrote: post #263

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It will be an absolute relief to the elderly/near-elderly poor, for starters. Like the woman I saw in the grocery store a few weeks ago on the verge of tears because the cheapest cooking oil available was 6 EUR/750ml bottle organic canola oil, and that’s still often the case. Inflation in Germany is every bit as bad as it is in the US, so this is also a bit of a welfare payment to all the people who take public trans…

Also Inflation is measured really strangely in Germany. The official number is +7.4%. However, as someone who has no car and owns no home my main expenditures are: - rent (+13 % if I don’t move, at least +30% if I move). - groceries (+20% up until + 50%) - eating out / going out.(+20%) For this year only! Most prices have already risen in 2021 “due to Covid”… I guess for elderly people in cities it will be similar, p…

The process to calculate inflation is transparent, you don't have to wonder.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by 0x008 »

nnt38 wrote: post #574
0x008 wrote: post #522

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Also Inflation is measured really strangely in Germany. The official number is +7.4%. However, as someone who has no car and owns no home my main expenditures are: - rent (+13 % if I don’t move, at least +30% if I move). - groceries (+20% up until + 50%) - eating out / going out.(+20%) For this year only! Most prices have already risen in 2021 “due to Covid”… I guess for elderly people in cities it will be similar, p…

The process to calculate inflation is transparent, you don't have to wonder.

Oh thank you, your comment really adds value.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by omnimus »

magicroot75 wrote: post #558
MandieD wrote: post #368

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I’m trying to say that although anyone is free to buy them, they’re not designed for city-to-city tourist convenience or even as a good substitute for the IC/ICE product for long-distance, car-comparable-speed travel. They’re for making short, local trips more affordable in a country that has a lot of people struggling with fuel and inflation, and for encouraging drivers to consider transit instead more often, and lo…

The reasons why a national legislature enact a law that brings forth a program like this are complex and multifaceted. It's completely possible that slow-tourism generated by these tickets will greatly benefit small towns who otherwise might not garner the interest of foreign capital.

Excactly these are very common in surrounding countries. These trains have to run anyways because of legislation and laws allowing people movement with public transport.

There arent that many travelers in summer so By making it cheaper you promote tourism and people appretiate it.

The “you shouldnt nuy it its not for you” people just have no idea and probably dont even use trains or live in the area.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Reason077 »

dathinab wrote: post #567
yifanl wrote: post #490

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Yes, but, for the tourists who dont know, they dont actually check you used a ticket every trip ;) Source: just came back from a week long trip to Berlin and I still have 2/4 tickets unused.

Yes but if they catch you it cost like 60€ or so and legally counts as uh trespassing I think not that the BVG will bother to sue or anything. So for locals it's still a grate deal. And the tickets show how long they have been active, so activating them when you see they check might not pass at all (depending on the person checking, the often let it pass anyway).

They're not so lenient if you're black, apparently.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/in-no-city-hav...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by llampx »

yifanl wrote: post #490
dathinab wrote: post #430

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Yes I mean a 4-bundle of "single one direction" tickets in Berlin (limited to inside of Berlin, not even including the Airport) costs 9.40... A Uber/Taxi also easily costs more then 9€ even for short distances.

Yes, but, for the tourists who dont know, they dont actually check you used a ticket every trip ;) Source: just came back from a week long trip to Berlin and I still have 2/4 tickets unused.

Germany is a relatively high-trust based society, so in Berlin you don't have turnstiles like other cities. However if you are caught riding without a ticket, the fine is 60€ for the first 2 offences and goes up after that.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by llampx »

virtualritz wrote: post #464
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

There is also FlixTrain for e.g. Hamburg—Berlin (or vice versa) which is demand-priced. And includes a reserved seat. I went for 4.99€ last month – twice (taking early morning trains).

I thought you have to book a seat separately on Flixtrain, at least when I looked a couple of days ago to compare to the DB train.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by llampx »

pflenker wrote: post #218
april_22 wrote: post #149

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Especially for traveling across Germany, this ticket isn't quite useful, however I feel like it is marketed as "free traveling across Germany for a month" which isn't really the case. Am wondering how everything will play out next couple of months.

It's not uncommon to travel through Germany using only the regional trains. There are several tickets tailored to this, like the "Quer durch's Land Ticket", which is valid for a full day. I, for one, used to travel a lot through Germany using only the Wochenendticket, which is the predecessor of the "Quer durch's Land" - Ticket and was only valid on Saturday or Sunday.

Its really too bad that they got rid of the Schönes Wochenende ticket.
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