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Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

Very good point. The reasoning in the post assumes that the rider is responsible for all accidents.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? These bikes are 2-3 meters long. There is no chance of this type of injury occurring with them.

Unless Pedal Me provide open-source data on which they based this decision, I don't believe it is based on safety. It's seems like marketing and cost-cutting issue for them. Customer: "Driver is wearing a helmet, and nobody provided helmets for us.. Are we in danger?" Pedal Me: "Say no more.. " Plus it seems they only bought caps & jackets for their drivers previously, no safety gear. Drivers are replaceable, aren't…

That wouldn't surprise me at all. But as for a 3m bike, that's still shorter than most cars? Broadly speaking, bikes of any size are classed as vehicles in the US, with the same rights and duties (though that may vary a bit state by state).

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also significant legal penalties for being at-fault and injuring/killing a cyclist in the Netherlands as compared to the US.

Can you elaborate? The US has such a high incarceration rate for in European eyes often benign offenses that I find that statement hard to believe even though I don't know the Dutch laws (I'm German). E.g. I can't imagine a Dutch person being incarcerated for injuring a cyclist unless it's on alcohol/drugs. I can totally imagine that for the US though. But I might be totally wrong. Would be really curious for some de…

The US is enormous, with almost no public transit outside of dense metro areas. As a result, cars hold a sacred place in society and jurisprudence. It is simply impossible to live without a car when your driveway is 10 miles long and the nearest "town" is 30 miles away.

You can get a neverending stream of OUIs and keep your license after paying fines in most cases. We often joke that the best way to get away with murder is to run someone down and tell the judge that "they came out of nowhere".

But lord help you if you get caught walking down the street with a joint in your bag.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? These bikes are 2-3 meters long. There is no chance of this type of injury occurring with them.

Unless Pedal Me provide open-source data on which they based this decision, I don't believe it is based on safety. It's seems like marketing and cost-cutting issue for them. Customer: "Driver is wearing a helmet, and nobody provided helmets for us.. Are we in danger?" Pedal Me: "Say no more.. " Plus it seems they only bought caps & jackets for their drivers previously, no safety gear. Drivers are replaceable, aren't…

> And other thing, why is a 3 meters long bike road-legal?

Why shouldn’t it be?

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those situations where there is a lot of fear and anecdotes but data shows that more accidents and injuries occur with helmets than without. A company should design their safety protocol well and it includes what equipment workers should and should not wear to protect them best. So prohibiting helmets is very responsible. Criticizing them seems to be taking an irrational stance that it’s better to addr…

It's a common misconception amongst amateur cyclists that because helmets marginally increase the chance of neck injury and that head injuries are relatively uncommon on bicycles that helmets deliver negative returns in terms of safety but as others have pointed out the data doesn't seem to suggest this is actually the case. Also in terms of common sense consider that all professional cyclists wear helmets when they'…

> Also in terms of common sense consider that all professional cyclists wear helmets when they're competing.

Helmets are mandatory in all major cycle competitions - so I'm not sure this reveals a preference among professional cyclists, so much as a preference among competition administrators.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#338

I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

It concerns me that there's so many stories of bike helmets cracking in two and allegedly having saved someone's life. Bike helmets are designed to compress under impact and as such, they are very weak under tension, so when you see a helmet split into two, it indicates that it wasn't working as designed. Compressed polystyrene in the helmet would indicate that it was doing its job.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#339

I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

This is one of those situations where there is a lot of fear and anecdotes but data shows that more accidents and injuries occur with helmets than without. A company should design their safety protocol well and it includes what equipment workers should and should not wear to protect them best. So prohibiting helmets is very responsible. Criticizing them seems to be taking an irrational stance that it’s better to addr…

I keep hearing this, here and in other online spaces, but until I see link to one of these studies I'll be skeptical, because I don't see how you could test this in a meaningful way. I see very different people wearing helmets versus not. The people I see not wearing helmets tend to be taking leisurely rides around the neighborhood or screwing around on sidewalks downtown. The people I see wearing helmets are going longer distances and taking trips that span neighborhoods. All the delivery cyclists, racing/fitness enthusiasts, and commuters I see are wearing helmets. For myself, the risks I expose myself to are almost entirely determined by where I ride, which is determined by the purpose of my trip. Show me a study that somehow controls for that, and I'll take it seriously.

My personal feeling is that the "helmets don't help" line is a strategic choice made by bike activists who are doing work I approve of, but I don't trust them when it comes to my safety. They're fighting for separate infrastructure, which I like, but they're dedicated to the idea that the kind of riding I have to do to get anywhere is inherently unsafe. They aren't interested in making what I have to do now more safe; they're interested in making sure people in the future don't have to do it.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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The first person fired for wearing a helmet is going to be so damn lucky. That settlement money will end up being equivalent of several lifetimes with of work. There is absolutely no way that their logic holds up in court.

Almost everywhere in the US is at will so there’s likely no successful lawsuit in the situation you describe. Sadly, it’s likely the first driver who dies without a helmet will result in their family filing a giant lawsuit. But that payout will be paid by insurance that is probably already factoring in the probability of such a payout.

OSHA might have some thoughts on firing someone over protective equipment.
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