Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

9-Euro-Ticket

bahn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

541–550 of 598 posts

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#541

Post by vrfvr »

cbmuser wrote: post #534
johannes1234321 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reason is that actually it wasn't meant to be germany-wide. The initial idea was 9€ per public transport network, but they quickly figured out that this will lead to many problems, as some areas have huge networks, others have many small networks and this would be one really complicated. But by then the 9€ message was out of the box and making it Germany-wide on a single ticket was the only way forward. C…

Fuel isn’t subsidized in Germany. They are planning to reduce energy taxes on fuel for June though August, after they imposed CO2 taxes starting in 2021. The German government tried to force people to use more renewable energies and electric cars by introducing the CO2 tax. Since both are not adequate replacements, costs for heating, electricity and transportation exploded. When the German government realized that wa…

> The German government tried to force people to use more renewable energies and electric cars by introducing the CO2 tax.

Since both are not adequate replacements, costs for heating, electricity and transportation exploded.

This is total nonsense. The subsidy for fuel prices were introduced due to rapidly rising costs for fuel shortly before the war started.

Those costs didn't rise because of the CO2 tax.

The fuel subsidy also doesn't reduce energy taxes, but explicitly fossil fuel taxes for cars only.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#542

Post by bigDinosaur »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #476
locallost wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Germany and I also have to pay for the construction of toll free highways and other very expensive car infrastructure. The tax on gas was reduced for the same months in the sommer which is on its own totally ridiculous, but it will also cost over a billion a month. I don't drive so I have nothing to gain from any of that -- but you don't get help from others if you don't help others, so you don't pick and c…

But you do consume stuff transported to your neighborhood by trucks and cars. Maybe you use public transport? That consumes gasoline/diesel and requires infrastructure. Or do you live on home grown food? How's the post at your door every morning? Ambulances? Police? Fire service? Electricians? Packets from Amazon or other MediaMarkt? I don't believe you do not benefit. Ask the people of Ahrweiler what is it like livi…

You only benefit from the road infrastructure used to transport goods to your location, more or less. Yet your taxes clearly go into a general revenue stream that could be used for any road in the entire country.

Anyway you don't get to pick and choose with taxes - although car owners are the absolute worst at wanting things like bicycle licensing.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#543

Post by Cockbrand »

k8sToGo wrote: post #421
unjustified wrote: post #305

These are going to be wild chaos days. https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/chaosta...

This is why we can't have nice things.

Mainly, IMHO, sensationalist "journalism" like this is much more of a reason why we can't have nice things, compared to the actual event predicted (which likely isn't going to happen, at least not to the extent described).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#544

Post by addandsubtract »

Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

I doubt anyone will be checking tickets in the next three months.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#545

Post by a2800276 »

FabHK wrote: post #468
a2800276 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy one each month, though. Even of you just use it for metropolitan transit, it's super cheap. My monthly pass (reduced because it only valid after 9 am so commuters have to pay more) costs 75 EUR. A single ticket ist 2.80. This is a good deal in almost any scenario where you take and applicable train.

> so commuters have to pay more or start later...

Sure I can do that as a self employed Programmer, but typically employees don't get to pick their work hours. Most commuters have to be in the office by 9 a.m.

My point was only that the 75 EUR is already a price reduced monthly ticket.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#546

Post by ahartmetz »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #338
foepys wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime. Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.

> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

I have never heard of or seen a forest being removed for windmills. Seems to be one of these pseudo-environmentalist arguments against wind power.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#547

Post by x3ro »

anonyfox wrote: post #459
IMTDb wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

Also remember we’re talking Autobahn here! Gmaps assumes upto 130kp/h… depending on your car and driving style you could drive 200kp/h++ (at least partially when there’s no speed limit) -> I’d challenge the 3:20h driving time, would probably more like 2:30h in ideal conditions

I’ve driven this route many times, and it’s quite unrealistic to expect you would ever get much higher than 140km/h on average, except during the night from 00:00 to 06:00 or so. Since it’s mostly 2 lanes, you’ll almost always have people slowing you down to about 120-130.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#548

Post by lbschenkel »

The region of Skåne in Sweden has a similar initiative, although not as cheap: a "summer ticket" valid for 3 months that costs ~70 EUR and includes any form of travel in the region. Similar offers exist in the other regions of Sweden.

Unfortunately for me who commutes to Copenhagen on a daily basis for work, this offer does not include trips to Denmark (monthly ticket costs ~250 EUR).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#549

Post by t0mas88 »

gomox wrote: post #500
Toutouxc wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

My experience with a car in the Netherlands was MISERABLE with respect to parking, and generally dealing with having a car (parking is not only expensive but also very limited, and time-constrained, so your lovely parking spot it took you 45 minutes to find and is a 10 min walk from where you are staying is only good until 7:30 AM).

This really depends on your frame of reference and where in the Netherlands you're going. Having worked in both London and Amsterdam I think there are many more public parking garage options in Amsterdam and non of those are time limited. Just expensive, but even that is relative since London and most bigger US cities are much more expensive to park in.

If you want low cost, park in a P+R garage outside the city and you get a free train/tram/metro ticket into the city.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#550

Post by Pamar »

sokoloff wrote: post #492
Pamar wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While if you use a car you are at the mercy of "baustelle" (roadworks) and constantly risk to have slowdowns (e.g entering a major city at critical times). Until we have Star Trek teleports no single method of travel is "absolutely best". But dismissing trains altogether because they do not run at your own convenience looks a bit of a strawman to me. I do not own s car anymore, but when it is really the best option I…

I don’t see the accounting for the quantized arrival times imposed by a set schedule over the chosen times availed by a private car to be “dismissing trains [or airplanes] altogether“ but rather to be applying an appropriate factor to the door-to-door transit time. Exact same situation as train proponents [correctly] pointing out the additional time needed for airline security theater or transit from city center to a…

Framed like this it is surely a much better argument. But just applying a flat 1-hour "penalty" to train transit is a bit of a strawman: railway companies do their best to give you sane options, so that if you are, for example, a commuter, you can get at your destination before 8am.

I believe that the main difference in our viewpoinylts is this: people who drive a car tend to reason and plan as if the car is the most appropriate solution, and would not even think of checking fir alternatives unless special circumstances apply.

People who learned to rely on public transport do the opposite. As I wrote already: I do not own a car, but I can drive, so if trains or buses do not offer viable options I just rent one. (The problem is that post Covid rental cars prices hiked, at least here, so the convenience in being more flexible gets often trumped by higher costs).

Post reply on HN