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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by foepys »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #338
foepys wrote: post #199

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Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime. Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.

> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1].

You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely have to shut down nuclear power plants to not overheat their adjacent rivers in the summer, nuclear is also no build and forget solution.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by thesimon »

Tomte wrote: post #233
germanier wrote: post #147

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good A few days ago Deutsche Bahn has started to label some trains with an RE number (e.g. running Norddeich-Bremen or Stuttgart-Singen) with "9-Euro-ticket not valid".

The RE from Stuttgart to Singen (I used to ride that train regularly and did so recently again) has been co-labeled "IC" for some time now, even though the rolling stock is distinctly RE. It has been confusing even before the 9 Euro ticket.

> even though the rolling stock is distinctly RE

It is painted in white and the floor is carpeted, making it a IC train.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by iggldiggl »

thebean11 wrote: post #315
iggldiggl wrote: post #290

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Farebox recovery ratios in Germany before Covid were around 75 %, so abolishing all fares would mean quadrupling the budget for operating subsidies [1]. While I am not opposed to some moderate fare reductions, you could pay for quite a large bit of service improvements with that amount of money instead, and I believe that would be rather more effective in increasing passenger numbers (and especially in getting car dr…

> Farebox recovery ratios in Germany before Covid were around 75 %, so abolishing all fares would mean quadrupling the budget for operating subsidies You aren't taking into account the money saved from eliminating all the infrastructure needed for collecting and enforcing the fares like OP mentioned.. Unless farebox recovery ratio already subtracts the money spent to collect fares? That's not my understanding though.

You're right, eliminating the infrastructure for fares would save some amount of money, but I'd be surprised if it was really that much of a substantial fraction compared with the actual operation of the vehicles.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

foepys wrote: post #341
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1]. You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely…

Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here.

Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

germanier wrote: post #240
kuschku wrote: post #216

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Actually, the Hamburg-Berlin IRE should be covered by this ticket as well, which requires no changes at all.

That train isn't running since 2020 and last December they have announced that won't be coming back for the foreseeable future.

Really? Oh no :( I never got a chance to take it, from what I heard it was a fun experience.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by johannes1234321 »

Archelaos wrote: post #134
Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying i…

I think the reason is that actually it wasn't meant to be germany-wide. The initial idea was 9€ per public transport network, but they quickly figured out that this will lead to many problems, as some areas have huge networks, others have many small networks and this would be one really complicated. But by then the 9€ message was out of the box and making it Germany-wide on a single ticket was the only way forward.

Consequence of late night negotiations on top level of the federal government, without involving respective experts from states, who are running public transport. ("Wait, we're subsidizing fuel, so we should subsidize public transport as well! Any quick idea?")

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

april_22 wrote: post #225
kuschku wrote: post #216

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Actually, the Hamburg-Berlin IRE should be covered by this ticket as well, which requires no changes at all.

There is a RE from Hamburg to Berlin?

There used to be an IRE, which stands for inter-regio-express. But apparently it was discontinued during covid.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by johannes1234321 »

johnday wrote: post #285
cbmuser wrote: post #260

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We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

It seems like an almost-free, unlimited-use ticket would suffer the same way.

Well, they can distinguish homeless people without ticket from others. And therefore throw some homeless out (until people realize that is happening and donate tickets ....)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kzrdude »

tasuki wrote: post #335
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #196

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Have you considered long distance buses from something like Flixbus? I live in Rotterdam and see them coming into the central station from all over Europe.

I'm Czech. When I lived in Amsterdam, my sister came to visit by Flixbus. She's used to all kinds of travel, but boy was she destroyed by that journey...

Some people can sleep on such buses. I for sure can't. So I always prefer to go by bus over daytime (wasting a day) instead of the night (ruining both the night and the next day).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by LosWochosWeek »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #333
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

Yeah, if you plan your appointment at a place 300km away willy nilly without checking the train schedule and if you plan your car drive in a way that you dont plan for any congestions leaving Hamburg, on the Autobahn, entering Berlin (good luck!), then yeah: The car is more expensive, more tiring, and slower. But get this: Instead of having an hour you can spend at your destination to your liking, you get to use that extra hour driving your car! Congratulations!

Sorry but that has to be the most contrived and ridicilous statement I've ever read. And this is coming from someone -- me -- who owns two cars, lives in Berlin and practically never uses public transportation.

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