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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by withinboredom »

codefreeordie wrote: post #423
Pamar wrote: post #366

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I, too, have some questions about your 1:00 waiting due to "no better train being available" I am familiar only with Italian and German trains (i.e. use these regularly, but occasionally I also used trains in/to Austria, Luxembourg, Hungary). You seem to think that in order to go to Berlin by train someone living, say, in Rostock, first goes to the station then looks when the next available train departs. In reality…

The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. For example, if that train arrives at 10:08a, say, and the next train is the 9:09a which arrives at 12:09a, and you had an 11…

Yep. If you have an hour to kill, there’s always good street food, or just exploring a bit. It’s not a waste.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by sokoloff »

Pamar wrote: post #474
codefreeordie wrote: post #441

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Yeah, if I was going far, I'd allow extra time, for sure. I don't actually live in Germany, so I don't really know how frequent these trains run. I have really only one example, where I missed a train from Frankfurt to Bingen, and had to pay a fortune for a cab ride because the next train was 3h later and I'd miss my planned day. But if that's a common frequency, the train can work out to be inconvenient, because you…

While if you use a car you are at the mercy of "baustelle" (roadworks) and constantly risk to have slowdowns (e.g entering a major city at critical times). Until we have Star Trek teleports no single method of travel is "absolutely best". But dismissing trains altogether because they do not run at your own convenience looks a bit of a strawman to me. I do not own s car anymore, but when it is really the best option I…

I don’t see the accounting for the quantized arrival times imposed by a set schedule over the chosen times availed by a private car to be “dismissing trains [or airplanes] altogether“ but rather to be applying an appropriate factor to the door-to-door transit time.

Exact same situation as train proponents [correctly] pointing out the additional time needed for airline security theater or transit from city center to airport adding to the door-to-door time for airlines, making airliners slower than trains for some city center to city center trips.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by wreath »

seoaeu wrote: post #489
wreath wrote: post #486

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Where exactly did I say that?

"there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized". Perhaps I misunderstood?

Yeah I think you did. Here is an example, maternity leave is 65% of salary but capped at 1800 euros. If you make 6000 a month and want to make use of maternity leave, you have to lower your living standards significantly so you can stat with your child. This would make a lot of sense and fair for someone making ~2800 though. But as a high earner, and a high tax payer, i cannot use this system “feature”.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> struggling with 2 EUR/liter fuel

I converted this for Americans like me:

2 EUR/liter is about $8.02/gallon

A 17-gallon tank costs $136.74 to fill.

(Using exchange rate of 1.06 and 3.785 liters per gallon)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by nautilius »

IMTDb wrote: post #316
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

This is assuming that your car trip starts and stops conveniently with available parking right at the point of departure and parking at the point of arrival, and that there is non-delayed traffic flow precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly. This is also assuming that with a car you never have surplus times, such as filling up gas, taking breaks from driving yourself, and let's not forget about maintenance, while we're at it.

Don't get me wrong, I often prefer the car, but that post is comically one-sided.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by s0rce »

Beltiras wrote: post #327
IMTDb wrote: post #316

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This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

Finding parking is hilariously underestimated for any metro area I've been to.

Also, I find parking exceedingly annoying, vastly worse than waiting around.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by s0rce »

Beltiras wrote: post #327
IMTDb wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

Finding parking is hilariously underestimated for any metro area I've been to.

Also, I find parking exceedingly annoying, vastly worse than waiting around.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by ephbit »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #289
yccs27 wrote: post #34

Some context is given here: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-introduces-9-ticket-to-offset-... The ticket is part of a support package signed off by the German parliament. The will pay approximately €2.5 billion for the ticket offer, as a response to rising energy prices and the resulting high costs of individual mobility.

In the meantime I just paid 200% more for heating oil than it cost me one year ago. And I cannot use this public transport offer. But I am contributing to it with my taxes.

At some point in time the whole of society needs to be presented with the true cost of individual lifestyles.

And there needs to be a discourse about which lifestyles and life choices should at all and to what degree they should be subsidised by the government and why this is legitimate.

There are a whole lot of subsidies that are neither fair nor sustainable and over time we need to transition away from them.

This is painful and becoming a little more evident these times but it needs to happen.

Letting the price for energy rise is necessary until it'll have become carbon neutral and you're feeling it.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Bromeo »

not2b wrote: post #415
steven_pack wrote: post #367

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Did this 20 years ago, it was called Schoeneswochenende Fahrkarte "Good weekend" ticket. You could get all over the country, but real slow. I met loads of people and got invited to people's homes, because they didn't typically see an Aussie backpacker on a local train. Great times, go do it.

Yes, did that also. I live in California, but at the time my company had a group in Aachen that I worked with and I visited about four times a year. I often played tourist on the weekend and took trains all over the Rhineland. I used the cheap weekend ticket several times. But I usually didn't go that far, given my time constraints.

Coming from Aachen and now living in California, I hope you had a good time! I think Aachen already has a quite "cute city" vibe to it, and there's many nice places to reach within a few hours, like Cologne, Düsseldorf, Bonn, and even parts of the Netherlands and Belgium!

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by gomox »

Toutouxc wrote: post #170
Scarblac wrote: post #133

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Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

My experience with a car in the Netherlands was MISERABLE with respect to parking, and generally dealing with having a car (parking is not only expensive but also very limited, and time-constrained, so your lovely parking spot it took you 45 minutes to find and is a 10 min walk from where you are staying is only good until 7:30 AM).
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