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Post by codefreeordie »

logifail wrote: post #425
codefreeordie wrote: post #423

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The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. For example, if that train arrives at 10:08a, say, and the next train is the 9:09a which arrives at 12:09a, and you had an 11…

> The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time f…

Yeah, if I was going far, I'd allow extra time, for sure.

I don't actually live in Germany, so I don't really know how frequent these trains run.

I have really only one example, where I missed a train from Frankfurt to Bingen, and had to pay a fortune for a cab ride because the next train was 3h later and I'd miss my planned day.

But if that's a common frequency, the train can work out to be inconvenient, because you will have only a very few times you can plan on without building in lots of waiting.

If you're going a far distance with an hourly service, it's probably convenient enough for most things, provided you never miss a train.

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Post by Scarblac »

RektBoy wrote: post #180
Toutouxc wrote: post #170

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Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

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In the Netherlands, almost all train stations have bicycles for rent for 4.15 euro per day. You have one in minutes (uses the same card as paying for the train does). And there are bicycle paths everywhere. No need to take a taxi after taking a train.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by itronitron »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

I am thankful that fuel prices are high because it makes the cost of my regular car maintenance seem remarkably inexpensive.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by _0ffh »

kuschku wrote: post #130
_0ffh wrote: post #121

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Firstly, long distance is misleading, I do not need to travel the whole length of a route. I can hop into a bus and hop out again at any of the next few bigger cities along the route. In my experience, that's what most people seem to do. Secondly, the 9€-Ticket is valid in all of Germany, so you could travel the length and width of the country if you wanted to. You'd just have to change trains a lot.

Both of those are true, but that market distortion isn’t nearly as large as you made it sound, and considering the upsides for society even the absolute worst case of driving one company into bankruptcy would definitely be worth it.

That would mean for a short term advantage I'd loose my ability to travel cheaply in the future. I don't think that it's worth the price.

Apart from the fact that I'm opposed for principled reasons. If we want to make people's life easier, we should cut down on taxes, not engage in more deficit spending. Especially as the economy is headed for hard times anyway, for exactly that kind of reasons.

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Post by javajosh »

Heck even if you're just going to move around a single City at a time this is a great deal. Ubahn and Sbahn tix are quite pricey a la carte!

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Post by siva7 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #351
Toutouxc wrote: post #170

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Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

Prague - Amsterdam by bus 13:30 hours - 120 € Look up Flixbus. It's slow, but cheap.

13.5 hours in a flixbus could be considered torture

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Post by simlan »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #437
gattilorenz wrote: post #410

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> Dutch public transport is the most expensive in Europe" Yes. On the other hand, the comparison in frequency, punctuality and cleanliness between the cheap Italian regional trains and the average Dutch ones clearly favors, and by a large margin, The Netherlands. This might have an impact on the costs :)

Don't think anyone disputes that. What they will say is how Tokyo still one-ups any major city in The Netherlands at a fraction of the price. GP is still very much right that The Netherlands, while being better , isn't good enough yet for most people to get rid of cars. >cleanliness Eh.. they certainly aren't clean here.

The secret sauce is density and a dire need to get this right or congest that city beyond believe. But yes they do a good job.

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Post by freeflight »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #6
Shadonototra wrote: post #3

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> I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference The ticket exist to relieve citizens due to rising energy costs What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits! Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! Are you american by chance? https://www.stoag.de/en/dialog/neuigkeiten/detail/9-euro-tic...…

> Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! I would wish they actually align their normal prices with a car. It's absurd that it's cheaper for two people to travel from Karlsruhe to Frankfurt by car, than to take an ICE train. And that applies to almost any train connection inside a Germany. No wonder people like their cars here.

The secret is to order your ticket ahead of the travel and not to go for flex tickets, that way it's possible to get a massive discount and even travel first class ICE very affordably.

For example, Nürnberg - Berlin can cost up to 127€ for second class ticket, if you buy the ticket the same day you need it.

Buy the ticket, for the same connection, 2 weeks in advance, and suddenly its only 39,90€ for second class and 53,90€ for first class.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

LosWochosWeek wrote: post #350
ivan_gammel wrote: post #333

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Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

Yeah, if you plan your appointment at a place 300km away willy nilly without checking the train schedule and if you plan your car drive in a way that you dont plan for any congestions leaving Hamburg, on the Autobahn, entering Berlin (good luck!), then yeah: The car is more expensive, more tiring, and slower. But get this: Instead of having an hour you can spend at your destination to your liking, you get to use that…

In many cases you are absolutely right, the appointment times can be adjusted according to train schedule, destinations are nice places where you can find something to do in between etc. Public transportation in Germany in most cases is better than cars (I do not even have driving license for that reason - never needed it). Still, the calculation logic is right: when you travel somewhere to be there at certain time, you need to include some buffers in your planning, both for trains and for cars. Every 4th train in Germany arrives with delays and not every appointment can be planned for your convenience.
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