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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by seoaeu »

wreath wrote: post #467
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #332

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You mean I‘m partially funding their cheap transportation? Where is the money for these cheap tickets coming from? But your comment kinda makes sense. It’s not really worth trying much in Germany. The more one tries, the more one becomes the source of funding for others while not really getting any personal gratification or gain.

You’re exactly right. The German system is setup so that you make use of it only if you are on average or below average income. Anything more is a diminishing return. This is for pension, maternal/paternal leave, health insurance etc. The reasoning being that “so we have more equal society”. Yes equal but there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized. The lucky ones are those with “old money” or th…

You're proposing cutting government support for the poor so that they'll try harder to escape poverty? Since I'm pretty sure there's already plenty of incentives to not living in poverty

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by oneplane »

IMTDb wrote: post #316
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

I don't think anyone living in a country with reasonable public transport and uses it actually thinks that that is how it works.

I get the feeling that there might be a whole lot of "it sucks in my country so you probably have a bad experience too" replies here (not yours as it's quite a clear illustration of details people might miss), and I would almost immediately assume it'll be mostly people from the US who are car-bound for their transport needs.

The idea that you can life a nice and productive life and go places as you please without dring a car is very foreign to some people. Even the idea of switching it up and having some work commute by bike or bus seems like a 'poor people thing' to some people. It's weird.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by hesk »

codefreeordie wrote: post #441
logifail wrote: post #425

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> The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time f…

Yeah, if I was going far, I'd allow extra time, for sure. I don't actually live in Germany, so I don't really know how frequent these trains run. I have really only one example, where I missed a train from Frankfurt to Bingen, and had to pay a fortune for a cab ride because the next train was 3h later and I'd miss my planned day. But if that's a common frequency, the train can work out to be inconvenient, because you…

There is an ICE (high speed train) between Berlin and Hamburg every hour.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by londons_explore »

stavros wrote: post #321
pwdisswordfish0 wrote: post #194

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>I expect that if the ticket is a success, it will be replaced by real free rides in the future. What’s your confidence level here? Because if you can make me believe that the ticket is effectively a vote for ticketless/free ÖPNV I will buy them for everyone I know.

What's the difference between this and completely free rides? AFAIK, making it "almost free" is usually preferable, as it prevents some abuse ("it's free so I'll take it even when I don't really need it", which depletes the resource), while still making it effectively free.

Remember that even if the journeys are 'free' in the sense of money, they still take time. And for most people sitting on a bumpy bus isn't as comfortable as sitting at home or sitting in a park (also free ways to spend time).

You should always think of the cost of public transport as ticket price + hourly wage * time spent - value of anything you might get done on the bus.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by mrzool »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

I live here, I’m not struggling with fuel prices since I don’t own a car, but I’m sure happy to be able to get a Monatskarte for 9€ instead of the usual 89€ (I live in Berlin).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by wreath »

seoaeu wrote: post #481
wreath wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re exactly right. The German system is setup so that you make use of it only if you are on average or below average income. Anything more is a diminishing return. This is for pension, maternal/paternal leave, health insurance etc. The reasoning being that “so we have more equal society”. Yes equal but there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized. The lucky ones are those with “old money” or th…

You're proposing cutting government support for the poor so that they'll try harder to escape poverty? Since I'm pretty sure there's already plenty of incentives to not living in poverty

Where exactly did I say that?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by atq2119 »

wreath wrote: post #467
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean I‘m partially funding their cheap transportation? Where is the money for these cheap tickets coming from? But your comment kinda makes sense. It’s not really worth trying much in Germany. The more one tries, the more one becomes the source of funding for others while not really getting any personal gratification or gain.

You’re exactly right. The German system is setup so that you make use of it only if you are on average or below average income. Anything more is a diminishing return. This is for pension, maternal/paternal leave, health insurance etc. The reasoning being that “so we have more equal society”. Yes equal but there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized. The lucky ones are those with “old money” or th…

The top marginal income tax rate in Germany is not much higher than in, say, the US.

The real injustice is that capital gains (i.e., unearned income) are taxed less. But of course that's also very common internationally.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by seoaeu »

wreath wrote: post #486
seoaeu wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're proposing cutting government support for the poor so that they'll try harder to escape poverty? Since I'm pretty sure there's already plenty of incentives to not living in poverty

Where exactly did I say that?

"there simply is no incentive to progress without being penalized". Perhaps I misunderstood?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by yifanl »

dathinab wrote: post #430
Reason077 wrote: post #406

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> "It stil might be worth it to use the train, as you can work/read in the train which you can't do in a car." Also, at €9 for a ticket that lasts a month, you're going to save an awful lot of money compared to taking the car.

Yes I mean a 4-bundle of "single one direction" tickets in Berlin (limited to inside of Berlin, not even including the Airport) costs 9.40... A Uber/Taxi also easily costs more then 9€ even for short distances.

Yes, but, for the tourists who dont know, they dont actually check you used a ticket every trip ;)

Source: just came back from a week long trip to Berlin and I still have 2/4 tickets unused.

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