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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by usr1106 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #253
MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

>This is for the benefit of people who live here and are struggling with 2 EUR/liter If 2 EUR/liter is too much for Germany, than it's enormous for my Eastern European country. I know we should support the war and sanctions and all those nice things, but some poor people depend on transportation for their living. If it costs too much, they might not be able to work. Already surges in food prices and utilities prices…

>>This is for the benefit of people who live here and are struggling with 2 EUR/liter

> If 2 EUR/liter is too much for Germany, than it's enormous for my Eastern European country.

Germans are always complaining although they are amongst the richest in Europe. In Finland it's 2,50 EUR/liter (somewhat less in the very south) and at least IT salaries are mostly lower.

What I did not see mentioned here that gas(US)/petrol(UK) will also be temporarily subsidized (by tax reduction) by the same law package as this 9 EUR ticket.

(German living in Finland.)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by wreath »

dorgo wrote: post #386
cbmuser wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

What is the difference to normal paid tickets? Once the ticket is paid I can ride busses out of boredom the whole day.

No you cant because the ticket is scoped with time and/or destination/direction

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by mbg721 »

jyounker wrote: post #380
mbg721 wrote: post #281

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I'm from a medium-sized city on the US midwest, so my experience is that bus drivers sometimes decide "Fuck it, I'm not coming today," on a route where the schedule says they should be there every 30 minutes. I think most Americans outside of large cities have a similar experience. I was really struck going on vacation to San Francisco how together the bus schedule was, compared to how "meh" laid-back the city instit…

> I was really struck going on vacation to San Francisco how together the bus schedule was, Wow. Things must have improved incredibly in the last ten years.

Granted, I was trying to go up Grant in Chinatown, but you clearly haven't tried a crosstown bus in Cincinnati. Scooby Doo would have an easier time making a cake.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by coffeeblack »

jupp0r wrote: post #378
IMTDb wrote: post #316

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This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

You are making the assumption that it's one person traveling. If I imagine me traveling with my family, then the tradeoffs would look quite different: 1. There's only one driver in the car, so all other passengers could still work/read during the drive. 2. The cost is split. With three kids and two parents, the cost would be 45 EUR vs 50 EUR traveling with a somewhat fuel efficient car with an internal combustion eng…

That’s what happens when ideological truth and real world truth collide.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by MauranKilom »

soco wrote: post #132
jacobr1 wrote: post #106

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> I have no idea if that would work for inter-city transport With inner-city transport, while free would undoubtedly have some marginal impact (and more over time as residential and commute patterns shift) there probably wouldn't be large shifts in use. I suspect for inter-city, you would actually see significantly increased usage, which could outweigh all the benefits cited.

Increased usage outweighing the benefits...?? I'm confused by the wording, do you mean that in a good or a bad way?

Probably commenting on local transit networks being generally at capacity during rush hour, which this would not improve.

For example, in Munich, there is a ~10% cheaper version of the monthly ticket that is only valid after 9 AM. This kind of incentive shaping falls flat.

(That is not to say I object to the new ticket, to be clear.)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by freeflight »

chrisseaton wrote: post #109
Freak_NL wrote: post #104

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Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. They accept Maestro debit cards though, which almost everyone has, and cash.

> Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. Everywhere else in Europe is perfectly happy to accept a credit card. I do 99.999% of all my spending on a credit card, like most millennial people or younger, and the only people in the developed world who this is a problem for is the Germans.

> Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason.

That pig-headed reason being that Germany went trough two different repressive regime during the last century.

Regimes that made plenty of use of large scale surveillance and data collections [0] to find a lot of their victims.

That's why cash still reigns supreme in Germany; It's anonymous and third parties can't just remotely disable it by disabling your bank account.

It's also the reason why Germans value their privacy, at least used to.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by lom »

amarant wrote: post #171

This is awesome! For comparison, a single fare ticket from the Stockholm suburb I live in to city Central costs about €8.70. 9 euros for a whole month seems like a dream!

for 3 months*

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by hit8run »

The idea behind it is to keep the idiots commuting just to sit down in the wage cage 9000. It’s for three months only btw and just a trick to improve acceptance of the new German Poverty caused by very bad political decisions.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by freeflight »

lom wrote: post #397
amarant wrote: post #171

This is awesome! For comparison, a single fare ticket from the Stockholm suburb I live in to city Central costs about €8.70. 9 euros for a whole month seems like a dream!

for 3 months*

It's 9€ per month and the ticket will be available for 3 months.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by [deleted] »

bromuro wrote: post #384
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #334

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> First: Its not free, its subsidized by the state. „The state“ doesn’t have its „own money“. It is subsided by the taxpayer.

And where does the taxpayer money come from? :) The state (or in this case the european central bank) owns and distribuites the money, then the tax payers give it back.

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