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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by mrunkel »

Tenoke wrote: post #45
anaisbetts wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still have to check tickets in trains because this only applies to one class of train, and they already are paying people to check tickets and can't/shouldn't fire them all for three months only to bring them all back

A lot of trains this covers don't even have first class so they can save on those but I'm not convinced the savigns are all that big.

What trains would that be? Street cars and busses are the only ones I can think of that don't have first class. Everything from the S-Bahn and "up" has a first class car or section.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by slightwinder »

k__ wrote: post #10
WA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the opposite. It should've been 0€, because then you: * don't have to sell tickets at all * don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs The overhead of selling tickets with the new price points might actually eat up all what's left of profits.

How much does checking tickets cost?

Often, not even that much, as the check is just one of many jobs the personal has to execute. The other jobs won't disappear just because they might not check now.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by sascha_sl »

mbg721 wrote: post #48
alecco wrote: post #19

Populism. This will make the country consume more energy. There's a crisis and the solution is saving as much energy as possible. And help companies not go bankrupt. But that doesn't sell...

When is there not a crisis? If you're running a train anyway, the marginal cost of attaching a couple more cars for the extra demand seems pretty small.

Not even that. Most lines are already at maximum capacity, and the number of cars is usually dependent on the shortest platform on the line already.

We take this so seriously, any stop, even unplanned, where the doors might open aside from absolute emergencies must be on a platform of sufficient length.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

_0ffh wrote: post #36

I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

There’s only one left, all the others went bankrupt, and that one (FlixBus) only offers long-distance journeys, while this ticket only applies to regional trains.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Bayart »

curiousfab wrote: post #25
mahesh_rm wrote: post #11

I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

I couldn't imagine why not. You just to to a ticket machine and buy it, no need for a passport or anything. Enjoy - Sylt is waiting for you, and you'll be there along with a million like-minded people!

> I couldn't imagine why not.

The single market. Refusing to sell to other EU citizens is very illegal.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by macco »

alecco wrote: post #19

Populism. This will make the country consume more energy. There's a crisis and the solution is saving as much energy as possible. And help companies not go bankrupt. But that doesn't sell...

If people use the train instead of their cars, it will save energy by a lot. Trains are the most efficient form of transportation, cars the least efficient.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Tenoke »

Shadonototra wrote: post #3
qwertox wrote: post #2

I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference to the consumer, who is already getting a lot for the value, and helped the railway operators a good deal. As a compromise the age of kids who can travel together with their parents for free could have been raised from 6 to 8 years.

> I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference The ticket exist to relieve citizens due to rising energy costs What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits! Wait, i suggest aligning it to the cost of a similar travel with a car! Are you american by chance? https://www.stoag.de/en/dialog/neuigkeiten/detail/9-euro-tic...…

>What a nice idea to double the price! i suggest to triple it, so they can make even more profits!

Pretty sure they wouldn't be making any profit at 15e or 27e either.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by RGamma »

curiousfab wrote: post #25
mahesh_rm wrote: post #11

I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

I couldn't imagine why not. You just to to a ticket machine and buy it, no need for a passport or anything. Enjoy - Sylt is waiting for you, and you'll be there along with a million like-minded people!

Pack the Schultenbräu! Sylt, it's on!

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by captainmuon »

WA wrote: post #7
qwertox wrote: post #2

I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference to the consumer, who is already getting a lot for the value, and helped the railway operators a good deal. As a compromise the age of kids who can travel together with their parents for free could have been raised from 6 to 8 years.

Exactly the opposite. It should've been 0€, because then you: * don't have to sell tickets at all * don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs The overhead of selling tickets with the new price points might actually eat up all what's left of profits.

Officially, it is not free in order to gauge demand.

Personally, I think there is an ideological and pedagogical element. They don't want people to get used to the idea that something like free transportation is possible.

I heard an interesting talk a couple of years ago about university tuition fees. Germany has fairly low fees compared to other countries. At some universities it is more like a token fee, a couple hundred € per year. Many students get living expenses paid from the state anyway (BAFÖG). It is silly to then pay back some of that immediately. But the thesis of the talk was that the tuition fees were introduced for educational reasons, not to cover the actual cost of teaching. Students were supposed think of themselves as customers, and of education as a good. And they could back this with quotes from neoliberal think tanks. As the FDP (free market 'liberals') is in the coalition, I'm sure one precondition was that the ticket couldn't be free.

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