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The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How fungible are wheat and corn crops?

This is like asking how fungible are calories. People with the means to mill and cook with wheat flour can probably manage with corn too if the alternative is starvation.

I had read somewhere that the varieties of corn grown for ethanol are not the same as the varieties grown for food but can't find the article now.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Sounds like there's a big potential for upheavals similar to the Arab Spring. A fair number of countries subsidize food for their citizens, and if they can't get their hands on any, there's going to be issues. I wonder which countries are most at risk? I read somewhere that the Arab countries get a lot of Ukrainian wheat.

That’s probably mainly due to low shipping costs due to proximity (in the grand scheme of things). There is scope for substitution with supplies from elsewhere in the world, if those supplies can be freed up from their usual end use. Biodiesel, cattle feed, etc. Here in the UK restrictions on labelling sunflower oil now mean it’s acceptable to adulterate it with other oils. My family has switched to using rapeseed oi…

It's not really as much about freeing up the supplies as much as it is about whether or not the supply chain can ship that food from someplace else. From what I've read, we don't have nearly as much of a food problem as we do a food shipping problem.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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It is clear that Putin needs to go. By any means necessary.

I am a Putin hater through and through…

…but be reallllll careful thinking through the consequences of “any means necessary”, because a lot of those means end in a huge escalation of the conflict which further reduces access to minerals and food. (And, like, human lives.)

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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This is Soylent's time to shine.

One of Soylent's primary ingredients is sunflower oil, for which the world's largest producer is (drumroll please) Ukraine. Guess who's #2, and under major international sanctioning? Between them, they're about 50% of worldwide production.

You should probably avoid seed oils anyway.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Tip from an old geezer: Plant Your Victory Garden Now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden

Your local zoning board might object. I live in PA, and one of the neighborhood vigilantes immediately ratted me out to the local government when I started growing corn, squash, and beans in my backyard while raising a couple of chickens for eggs.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Tip from an old geezer: Plant Your Victory Garden Now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden

Your local zoning board might object. I live in PA, and one of the neighborhood vigilantes immediately ratted me out to the local government when I started growing corn, squash, and beans in my backyard while raising a couple of chickens for eggs.

It also takes well over an acre to support a single person, and that's if you know what you're doing and have the time to manage a garden of that size.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't happen unless the fear of food shortage becomes an actual food shortage. Ethanol subsidies let farmers already invested in corn grow more corn than they might otherwise sell for food, and politicians get to say they're doing something for renewable energy. As with so many other things in politics, the good of society isn't the driving factor. Money and talking points are king.

Given the outsized impact the Iowa Caucuses have in presidential primaries, being pro-corn and ethanol is a necessity for any viable candidate.

Aren't the Iowa Caucus' days numbered? They've been a complete disaster the last few cycles – it seems to take days/weeks to determine a winner. Their last competently-run caucus was in 2008.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Tip from an old geezer: Plant Your Victory Garden Now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_garden

Your local zoning board might object. I live in PA, and one of the neighborhood vigilantes immediately ratted me out to the local government when I started growing corn, squash, and beans in my backyard while raising a couple of chickens for eggs.

Did she object to the chickens or the garden? I suspect just the chickens, rather than your back yard garden.
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