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The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Is there any topic on which we’re not currently facing a catastrophe? In the last few months I’ve been warned about impending doom for insects, food, nuclear weapons treaties, democracy, the economy, the internet, space, the environment, the arctic circle, abortion rights.

The point stands equally true for those catastrophes as well.

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This is Soylent's time to shine.

One of Soylent's primary ingredients is sunflower oil, for which the world's largest producer is (drumroll please) Ukraine.

Guess who's #2, and under major international sanctioning? Between them, they're about 50% of worldwide production.

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Sounds like there's a big potential for upheavals similar to the Arab Spring. A fair number of countries subsidize food for their citizens, and if they can't get their hands on any, there's going to be issues. I wonder which countries are most at risk? I read somewhere that the Arab countries get a lot of Ukrainian wheat.

That’s probably mainly due to low shipping costs due to proximity (in the grand scheme of things). There is scope for substitution with supplies from elsewhere in the world, if those supplies can be freed up from their usual end use. Biodiesel, cattle feed, etc.

Here in the UK restrictions on labelling sunflower oil now mean it’s acceptable to adulterate it with other oils. My family has switched to using rapeseed oil where we can (except for deep frying, it stinks). I’d recommend eating less meat even if that means eating more grain products, it’s a more efficient use of the resource. For the well off we can weather this just fine, but we can still help by reducing our use of the scarcest resources.

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We should stop growing corn for ethanol since it's worse for the climate than gasoline[1] and instead use all that land and machinery to grow wheat instead. 1. https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-corn-based-e...

Won't happen unless the fear of food shortage becomes an actual food shortage. Ethanol subsidies let farmers already invested in corn grow more corn than they might otherwise sell for food, and politicians get to say they're doing something for renewable energy. As with so many other things in politics, the good of society isn't the driving factor. Money and talking points are king.

Given the outsized impact the Iowa Caucuses have in presidential primaries, being pro-corn and ethanol is a necessity for any viable candidate.

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This is Soylent's time to shine.

One of Soylent's primary ingredients is sunflower oil, for which the world's largest producer is (drumroll please) Ukraine. Guess who's #2, and under major international sanctioning? Between them, they're about 50% of worldwide production.

I assumed parent was referring to the Green variety. The primary ingredient is... abundant.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How fungible are wheat and corn crops?

This is like asking how fungible are calories. People with the means to mill and cook with wheat flour can probably manage with corn too if the alternative is starvation.

I don't mean on the consumption side. I mean on the production side. Do they grow in the same soil? Do they take the same nutrients? Do they have the same water / sunlight / temperature band tolerances?

Looks like that rotation is pretty common but there are some details to concern oneself with.

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/considerations-whe...

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Is there any topic on which we’re not currently facing a catastrophe? In the last few months I’ve been warned about impending doom for insects, food, nuclear weapons treaties, democracy, the economy, the internet, space, the environment, the arctic circle, abortion rights.

Don't forget drought, flooding, gasoline, job bubbles, job collapse, censorship, housing, chip shortages, etc.

Nothing can be just 'news'. Its all framed as a signal of collapse.

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