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Re: I'm an addict

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post #354

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I think your reaction is understandable, since "Everyone is/has a little X" is commonly used to dismiss or minimize the severity of a condition the speaker doesn't understand. But I don't feel like that's the case here.

> I think your reaction is understandable, since "Everyone is/has a little X" is commonly used to dismiss or minimize the severity of a condition the speaker doesn't understand. Personally when I hear people speak like this I assume they're trying to root someone in an empathetic perspective. I'm not sure I've ever heard it from someone who was arguing against the seriousness of the subject.

I grew up my entire life being told everyone has a little ADHD and I just needed to try harder to pay attention. I've still heard it as an adult.

My issue was using the phrase in the first place without some explanation of just how wrong the idea is.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #226

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> I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. This advice simply doesn't work if the recipient is an atheist. To me, Religious texts are made up fiction that hold no more meaning in my world view than Harry Potter or Game of Thrones. If you read enough fiction on a shared topic, you'll be able to pull the same number of 'enlightening' quotes from thos…

I mean, I used to be an atheist. Like, going to Richard Dawkins on campus, sneering at how stupid Christians were rolling my eyes at every little thing atheist. For a good ten to fifteen years. Then I realized it was terrible for my mental health and just got over myself and adopted more of a Pascal’s Wager outlook. Like, I frankly don’t give a damn about the truth or falsity of religion anymore. That’s not the point…

This is pretty adjacent to some of the stuff I've been thinking about as of recent. Maybe I'll give religion a try.

Re: I'm an addict

#373
post #284

Sounds like OP isn't necessarily an addict: they have ADHD. Half the article was them complaining about poor working memory, and the rest about getting stimulation/dopamine from unhealthy sources. Everyone has "a little ADHD". We all occasionally , forget things, hyperfocus on things we are excited about, etc. ADHD is the disorder of having those struggles so often it's debilitating. It stems from having an underdeve…

You alluded to this, but I think it’s worth saying explicitly: People with ADHD are 2.7 times more likely to deal with depression than people without. This is very subjective and I can’t put a finger on what it is exactly but something in this post just feels like depression.

I think you're catching the overall sentiment, which is "why does it matter?". I actually wonder whether the causal direction works the other way sometimes with anxiety/depression. The combination of the two makes it hard to evaluate or visualize long term positive outcomes of current actions, so you're more likely to gravitate towards things that are immediately rewarding.

My unrelated take is that remote work is going to make this problem way worse.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #211

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> I hold unto my right as a mammal to be inefficient and sit drooling looking at trees here, here!

Quick question: we have a similar (the same?) exclamation in German, it's "hört, hört!" which would be translated to "hear, hear!", not "here, here!". Is it actually "here, here!" in English or it possible you've just mistaken the words after having only heard them?

The expression comes from England's Parliament. The full version is, "Hear, Hear the excellent speaker!"

Re: I'm an addict

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> Everyone has "a little ADHD". I get what you’re saying but I want to push back hard on this. Everyone has some of the symptoms of ADHD at any given time. But, ADHD isn’t more of the same symptoms. That’s how it’s diagnosed, but the underlying mechanism is a severely compromised ability to self-regulate which is categorically different from what people experience when they are out of mental energy. Edit: I've clarif…

You're splitting hairs. Everyone has a little trouble regulating themselves, some people have a little more trouble, some people have enough trouble that it becomes a disorder.

That's the entire point I'm trying to make. "Everyone has X" is a categorically wrong understanding of what the underlying problem is.

An equivalent is saying everyone has trouble walking sometimes when we're talking about someone who limps and needs a cane.

The symptoms are not the disorder and don't come from the same mechanism that causes normal people to have difficultly paying attention sometimes.

Re: I'm an addict

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OP shoot me an email if you want a sounding board from someone who is just a step or two ahead on the same path. Email is in profile.

Re: I'm an addict

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> I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. This advice simply doesn't work if the recipient is an atheist. To me, Religious texts are made up fiction that hold no more meaning in my world view than Harry Potter or Game of Thrones. If you read enough fiction on a shared topic, you'll be able to pull the same number of 'enlightening' quotes from thos…

You really don't see the difference between popular fiction and cultural texts that have survived for thousands of years? How do you feel about The Iliad, Plato's dialogues, the Mahabharata, Tao Te Ching, or the Epic of Gilgamesh? Do they also offer "no more meaning in your world" than modern fantasy novels? I didn't think being an atheist meant closing ones mind to human culture. Guess I've been doing it wrong.

I think the person you replied to simply meant they found no spiritual significance in religious texts. That is, their ONLY value is either as a piece of literature or as a historical recording of culture.

Re: I'm an addict

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That's a strawman.

Not really, it was a big motivator for me in three decades I wasted believing indoctrinated garbage. Thankfully I broke out of that tar pit of magical thinking.

It's a straw man in the context of using faith to battle addiction, regardless of the role it played in your personal life. Virtually no one advocates trying to scare addicts into recovery with the threat of hell.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #347

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Good luck getting prescribed that by any GP. I am as above board as I can be when it comes to my medicine (never take more than 1 a day, never ask for more, etc) but the song and dance for getting refills, let alone a new or changed prescription, makes me feel like a criminal hunting for his next fix. I can't imagine what it must be like for people who legitimately need opiates.

Look for a different doctor/psychiatrist, perhaps one in a wealthy area. I was 20 and my guy gleefully offered to up my dose. He asked me like 10 filter questions that had obviously 'correct' answers like "Do you struggle to pay attention?"

I originally sought psychiatric help because of extreme depression. After meeting me the doctor gave me a standardized survey to fill out - I assumed to take away with me and bring back. But he told me to sit down in the lobby and take it now. Turns out it was an adhd quiz kind of thing, and he knew that if I didn’t fill it out in his office I’d never remember to bring it back.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #226

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> I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. This advice simply doesn't work if the recipient is an atheist. To me, Religious texts are made up fiction that hold no more meaning in my world view than Harry Potter or Game of Thrones. If you read enough fiction on a shared topic, you'll be able to pull the same number of 'enlightening' quotes from thos…

I mean, I used to be an atheist. Like, going to Richard Dawkins on campus, sneering at how stupid Christians were rolling my eyes at every little thing atheist. For a good ten to fifteen years. Then I realized it was terrible for my mental health and just got over myself and adopted more of a Pascal’s Wager outlook. Like, I frankly don’t give a damn about the truth or falsity of religion anymore. That’s not the point…

> Like, going to Richard Dawkins on campus, sneering at how stupid Christians were rolling my eyes at every little thing atheist. For a good ten to fifteen years. Then I realized it was terrible for my mental health and just got over myself and adopted more of a Pascal’s Wager outlook.

As an atheist, you weren't a practicing atheist. You were an agitator with a religion of your own, which is projecting and spreading atheism. I used to call these folks "militant atheists" because, like when I was a teenager and left the Catholic church, I was ready to treat others the way I'd been treated (and seen others treated). This is not a healthy paradigm for leaving any community though and furthermore it repeats the sins of the past.

> Like, I frankly don’t give a damn about the truth or falsity of religion anymore. That’s not the point. It lets me act as if my life has meaning regardless of whether or not that’s true, which even when I directly reflect on it is a small amount of comfort insulating me from the yawning abyss of existential terror I felt throughout all of my 20s and half of my teens.

... and then you adopted the mindset of an actual atheist (one without religion), and then adopted a religion!

For what it's worth, I'm glad you're happy, that's really what matters. Maybe now that you have experience as someone without religion it gives you perspective as someone with faith. From what you've written, it sounds like that's the case.

A final thought (and opinion) that no one asked for: as an atheist I applaud the healthy exercise of and engagement with religion. The only time in which I object to religions or institutions is when they think their ideas are proper enough to be codified into law. For that, we have science and bureaucracy, of which religion can be a part of neither due to self-interested hegemony, which is an obvious conflict of interest.

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