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Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#31
The Tesla deaths per year bar chart peaks at 2019 and then decays for 2020 and 2021. It is presented by the author, however, as exponential growth.

That’s the moment this article jumped the shark, for me. No one knows what the trend is, but the author clearly only wants to consider one interpretation.

I’ve flagged it, but maybe someone can vouch for this article as being written by a serious and reputable blogger?

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#32
Gets even better, scrolled down a bit and saw this entry:

https://www.winknews.com/2020/01/31/state-troopers-respondin...

This database is counting _this_ as a Tesla death.

The source being used in that very database says the Nissan lost control, hit the median and the driver died due to injuries. The Tesla hit the debris of the wreckage but neither driver nor passenger was harmed.

Just wow.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#34

    It stands out because this brand is superior to Tesla in every way, including innovation (because safety is valued), yet somehow Tesla has pranced around falsely claiming to be better at safety than Volvo.
The singular redeemable thing about this article is how quickly it advertises its bias. I guess it has some value for people looking to confirm their own beliefs?

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#35
post #15

You can't compare absolute numbers of deaths in a year vs. number of cars sold in that year. Safety is calculated as injuries per miles driven. For death rate, it is usually shown as deaths per 100k miles driven. Vehicles sold here is also a mis-leading number. It is talking about Volvo's total safety across all models, but then only including sales numbers for it Electric Vehicles. Tesla sells many more EVs than Vol…

>Everything in this article is mis-leading and low quality analysis.

I don't have any knowledge of electric cars safety, but I've checked another article on the same site on topic I have a deep understanding of. The recipe the site used is simple: 1. make a strong statement; 2. push it and push it without any regard for truth or logic.

I guess that's just their modus operandi.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#36

"When I post this chart I often hear Tesla believers complain it doesn’t conform to their bias because it obscures sales volumes. Does it? In fact, it is the opposite. First, volume shouldn’t cause more deaths to start with (remember more cars means more data, which means more safety). Second, Tesla doesn’t have higher volume." I don't agree with the first part. Volume does matter doesn't it? However the first part i…

This person is clearly deluded. The correct metric is fatal accident per 100k miles driven and OF COURSE volume matters.

If volume matters then we are painting a worse situation for Tesla since they sold less than volvo

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person is clearly deluded. The correct metric is fatal accident per 100k miles driven and OF COURSE volume matters.

If volume matters then we are painting a worse situation for Tesla since they sold less than volvo

No we don't, if we compare normalised numbers (per mile driven) rather than unadjusted ones.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If volume matters then we are painting a worse situation for Tesla since they sold less than volvo

No we don't, if we compare normalised numbers (per mile driven) rather than unadjusted ones.

How do they know much miles have been driven by a car? What if a person does it own car maintenance? Not sure, if that's a much better approach

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#39
post #15

You can't compare absolute numbers of deaths in a year vs. number of cars sold in that year. Safety is calculated as injuries per miles driven. For death rate, it is usually shown as deaths per 100k miles driven. Vehicles sold here is also a mis-leading number. It is talking about Volvo's total safety across all models, but then only including sales numbers for it Electric Vehicles. Tesla sells many more EVs than Vol…

> Safety is calculated as injuries per miles driven.

Is there any reason whatsoever to believe that the average EV is driven more miles than the average ICE? If anything, using vehicle counts instead of miles favors Tesla.

> only including sales numbers for it Electric Vehicles.

Again, reducing the denominator for Volvo favors Tesla.

> mis-leading and low quality analysis

Agreed. It's far too forgiving of Death Trap Inc.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person is clearly deluded. The correct metric is fatal accident per 100k miles driven and OF COURSE volume matters.

If volume matters then we are painting a worse situation for Tesla since they sold less than volvo

Last year (2021) Volvo sold 698693 cars, and that's including all of their models, not just electric.

Tesla sold 936222, which is obviously significantly more than Volvo.

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