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Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by ec109685 »

magicCat wrote: post #8
BluSyn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chart is obviously misleading. More volume would mean fewer deaths PER miles driven, but this is showing absolute numbers of deaths for ONLY electric models. Volvo has many more models besides EVs. The chart would be fair if all models were included, and if it was relative to road usage, eg. deaths per 100k miles driven.

there are direct model to model comparisons with sales numbers in the article. And other manufactures ev sales numbers do not seem to to be off by a factor of 100 too 200 compared to tesla

Tesla’s delivery numbers are wrong. No sources listed either.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by porphyra »

> Look at the following table showing this year of high sales volumes for electric cars next to total deaths by model

But the deaths come from previous years too. There are about 500k Tesla Model 3s on the road vs 12k Ford Mustang Mach Es.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by happyopossum »

magicCat wrote: post #8
BluSyn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chart is obviously misleading. More volume would mean fewer deaths PER miles driven, but this is showing absolute numbers of deaths for ONLY electric models. Volvo has many more models besides EVs. The chart would be fair if all models were included, and if it was relative to road usage, eg. deaths per 100k miles driven.

there are direct model to model comparisons with sales numbers in the article. And other manufactures ev sales numbers do not seem to to be off by a factor of 100 too 200 compared to tesla

Single year sales numbers, but for some reason the author used total deaths instead of single year deaths.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by boulos »

This post is dangerously innumerate. I don't like Tesla, but I do like math: accidents are a rate, so of course mileage matters.

The table is also pernicious, as it shows cars sold in a year per model vs deaths in a year per model. Almost sounds legit, until you realize "no wait, sold per year doesn't matter, just how many were operating".

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by BluSyn »

You can't compare absolute numbers of deaths in a year vs. number of cars sold in that year. Safety is calculated as injuries per miles driven. For death rate, it is usually shown as deaths per 100k miles driven.

Vehicles sold here is also a mis-leading number. It is talking about Volvo's total safety across all models, but then only including sales numbers for it Electric Vehicles. Tesla sells many more EVs than Volvo.

It talks about battery fires in Tesla models, which are rare. But ignores how many fires happen in ICE vehicles, even though the are far more common.

Everything in this article is mis-leading and low quality analysis.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by robswc »

This just seems weird, clearly bias too...

Looking at that chart, not even touching on the other issues, it says the source is tesladeaths.com. Going there, just using the first 10 entires makes the entire data look bad. This database would literally count someone in a Tesla, purposely running over someone as a "Tesla death" which sure I guess but it's obviously disingenuous.

entry #2 and #3 are both DUIs where the driver hits someone else... There's even an entry where a Tesla gets into a fender bender and a BMW hits a "responder" and that gets labeled a Tesla death ???

I'd be shocked if the author even looked at the entries lol.

Overall, this is just ridiculous tbh.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by [deleted] »

sschueller wrote: post #3

"When I post this chart I often hear Tesla believers complain it doesn’t conform to their bias because it obscures sales volumes. Does it? In fact, it is the opposite. First, volume shouldn’t cause more deaths to start with (remember more cars means more data, which means more safety). Second, Tesla doesn’t have higher volume." I don't agree with the first part. Volume does matter doesn't it? However the first part i…

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Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by bigmattystyles »

mieses wrote: post #7
sschueller wrote: post #3

"When I post this chart I often hear Tesla believers complain it doesn’t conform to their bias because it obscures sales volumes. Does it? In fact, it is the opposite. First, volume shouldn’t cause more deaths to start with (remember more cars means more data, which means more safety). Second, Tesla doesn’t have higher volume." I don't agree with the first part. Volume does matter doesn't it? However the first part i…

I don't disagree. But it's a moot, not a mute, point.

It’s like a cow’s opinion, it doesn’t matter, it’s moo
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