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Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by mieses »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #2

And while Volvo states a clear commitment to reaching zero deaths and shows very obvious actions to achieving that laudable goal, Tesla seems only to come up with lies and excuses for why it has keeps failing — killing more and more people. The post convincingly makes that case. Now I have an urge to buy a Volvo.

As a more than casual observer of Volvo drivers, it's important to factor in their increased recklessness which possibly follows from a sense of safety ("bloody volvo driver" meme). On the other hand, one often sees people sleeping in the driver's seats of Teslas.

I would guess Volvo drivers are safer because they are either cautious people, awake at the wheel, or driving recklessly which may increase awareness and reaction time compared to a sleeping Tesla driver.

Simply, Volvo drivers tend to have more human agency.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by KerrAvon »

I'm completely willing to believe Tesla's safety record is poor, and in fact, I fully expect it to be the case, because Musk sure as fuck doesn't care about the safety of peons, but this article doesn't seem to have any valid data backing the assertion.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by Hamuko »

porphyra wrote: post #12

> Look at the following table showing this year of high sales volumes for electric cars next to total deaths by model But the deaths come from previous years too. There are about 500k Tesla Model 3s on the road vs 12k Ford Mustang Mach Es.

There's about 100k Chevrolet Bolts on US roads though, but the death rate for Model 3s is not 5x, it's 87x.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by kareemsabri »

BluSyn wrote: post #4
sschueller wrote: post #3

"When I post this chart I often hear Tesla believers complain it doesn’t conform to their bias because it obscures sales volumes. Does it? In fact, it is the opposite. First, volume shouldn’t cause more deaths to start with (remember more cars means more data, which means more safety). Second, Tesla doesn’t have higher volume." I don't agree with the first part. Volume does matter doesn't it? However the first part i…

The chart is obviously misleading. More volume would mean fewer deaths PER miles driven, but this is showing absolute numbers of deaths for ONLY electric models. Volvo has many more models besides EVs. The chart would be fair if all models were included, and if it was relative to road usage, eg. deaths per 100k miles driven.

The chart does not say it is using only electric models. How do you know that? It says per BRAND not per model.

Further down, the article includes deaths relative to sales volume for various EV models. I don't see how it is unfair to compare two EVs fatality rates.

Finally, while miles driven would be great I imagine it's hard to know the average miles driven per model, but there's little reason to think it differs by orders of magnitude.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by magicCat »

ec109685 wrote: post #11
magicCat wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are direct model to model comparisons with sales numbers in the article. And other manufactures ev sales numbers do not seem to to be off by a factor of 100 too 200 compared to tesla

Tesla’s delivery numbers are wrong. No sources listed either.

fair, the numbers seem to be off according do the numbers i can find. Tesla produced more cars then that by a factor of 2x even in q1 2021

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by mushbino »

pnw wrote: post #23

There’s actual data on the IIHS site where you can compare like with like. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-... https://www.iihs.org/ratings/insurance-losses-by-make-and-mo...

I don't see Volvo or Tesla anywhere on that list

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by robswc »

mieses wrote: post #21
thomassmith65 wrote: post #2

And while Volvo states a clear commitment to reaching zero deaths and shows very obvious actions to achieving that laudable goal, Tesla seems only to come up with lies and excuses for why it has keeps failing — killing more and more people. The post convincingly makes that case. Now I have an urge to buy a Volvo.

As a more than casual observer of Volvo drivers, it's important to factor in their increased recklessness which possibly follows from a sense of safety ("bloody volvo driver" meme). On the other hand, one often sees people sleeping in the driver's seats of Teslas. I would guess Volvo drivers are safer because they are either cautious people, awake at the wheel, or driving recklessly which may increase awareness and r…

Yea... I imagine sports cars are going to have deaths due to pure reckless drivers in addition to deaths that just happen because they aren't as safe.

I would wager the average Mustang or Corvette driver doesn't drive the same as your average Honda Odyssey driver, lol

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by kareemsabri »

mushbino wrote: post #27
pnw wrote: post #23

There’s actual data on the IIHS site where you can compare like with like. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-... https://www.iihs.org/ratings/insurance-losses-by-make-and-mo...

I don't see Volvo or Tesla anywhere on that list

If you go to the second link, select 2018-2020, Midsize, Luxury Card you'll see both Tesla and Volvo at the bottom.

Tesla does quite well there. Though Volvo does slightly better to significantly better on pretty much all metrics.

Re: Tesla's Safety Record vs. Volvo

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Post by mieses »

BluSyn wrote: post #15

You can't compare absolute numbers of deaths in a year vs. number of cars sold in that year. Safety is calculated as injuries per miles driven. For death rate, it is usually shown as deaths per 100k miles driven. Vehicles sold here is also a mis-leading number. It is talking about Volvo's total safety across all models, but then only including sales numbers for it Electric Vehicles. Tesla sells many more EVs than Vol…

An ICE fire is usually a minor event. The gas tank is on the other end of the car. A battery pack fire is always a big event.
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