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Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

oblio wrote: post #96
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If be interested to know what they thought was more important than adjustment layers to work on for a decade instead. Just developer time alone invested doesn’t have inherent value if it doesn’t make the end product better.

> If be interested to know what they thought was more important than adjustment layers to work on for a decade instead. Having fun developing whatever stuff they wanted, would be my guess. And if they're getting paid for this, probably doing a good job convincing whoever's paying them that that stuff is important :-)

So which is it? If it's a just for fun project why take feature requests and donations? I make a feature request I get told "well you're not paying for it...", yet they provide no way for me to pay for it. Why not have a bounty system to fund that work if that are your terms?

Just feels what this project is shifts into whatever it needs to be to ensure it doesn't ever get any better or progress in any meaningful way.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

knighthack wrote: post #104
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #87

I’ve come to the belief that the existence of GIMP is doing more harm than good. The software itself just isn’t anywhere near the feature parity it needs to be. The UI and workflows are just not there for what users are expecting. I can’t suggest someone learn it because it just isn’t going to serve them well in the end. But because it exists it means someone who would do it better has less incentive to do so. Not th…

First: doing harm to who ? Gimp's an open source software that's been a boon to the community for a long time. I don't even use it, but I welcome its existence - it's not a virus, nor is it a bad influence upon the world since most people not inclined to use Gimp can stick to alternatives. > But because it exists it means someone who would do it better has less incentive to do so. That makes no sense. There are a ton…

Affinity - Paid, Closed source, no Linux version Paint.NET - Closed source, Windows only Photoscape - Closed source, no Linux version Canva - Closed source, subscription webapp

None of these fill the niche GIMP has claimed and I just feel in whatever alternate reality where the creators of GIMP never made it that someone else would have made an app that would manage to ship adjustment layers within a decade.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by tejohnso »

blenderdt wrote: post #73

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way. If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that. And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse? Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive. It's a little sad because so much time and energ…

> If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that.

Without having been exposed to other paint programs, this seems reasonable to me. You said it yourself, you create a selection, then copy / paste. So why would the result be a new layer? You didn't copy a layer, you copied a selection. And this way you can either anchor it into the same layer (which I often do) or decide that it should be a new layer and get the result you're expecting.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by xvilka »

oblio wrote: post #90
ofrzeta wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't find anything either. At some point someone added CMYK support to GEGL and this seems to be where any other effort has stopped. Heck, even the Roadmap on the Gimp homepage is a dead link. EDIT: Here's an issue in the Milestone 3 that is concerned with CMYK exporting: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/356

That's nice, but the time frames for these tickets are starting to run into the decades... It's a shame, but no wonder people move on.

Looks like there is a MR trying to solve this: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/627

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by dark-star »

It's interesting on how they tout implementing very basic usability features like these:

- multi-select in some (admittedly non-standard and treeview-like) listbox... How did such a "feature" require 7 years to implement?

- switching between dark and light themes with a single button... Doesn't every UI library implement this as default by now?

Also, refactoring file I/O completely so that it abstracts away path separators, which, apparently are a real headache? I mean, yeah, other toolkits have had these abstractions for years. Or they could just convert everything to forward slashes which also works on every OS...

When reading changelogs like these, I keep wondering how Gimp (and to some extent Gtk) has been able to work as well as it does for so many years

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by geenat »

Non-destructive editing next please.

Non-destructive editing next please.

Non-destructive editing next please.

It's been the main thing holding gimp back for decades. Even if it's just the run of the mill "layer styles" and "adjustment layers".

Always good to see a basic UI pass but we've had PhotoGIMP forever.

Thank you.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by dark-star »

dvh wrote: post #17

Are there any good alternatives to gimp in Ubuntu repository?

+1 for Krita. It is developed in tight cooperation with many artists who use it daily. It is similar to Blender in that regard.

Just read some of their artist interviews (https://krita.org/en/features/artist-interviews/). Also, being part of KDE, they have a very strong UI/UX team that does lots of a/b testing and other usability testing, which I sometimes feel the Gtk devs are lacking in (however, I don't follow Gtk development too closely so I might be wrong here)

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by bogwog »

dark-star wrote: post #126

It's interesting on how they tout implementing very basic usability features like these: - multi-select in some (admittedly non-standard and treeview-like) listbox... How did such a "feature" require 7 years to implement? - switching between dark and light themes with a single button... Doesn't every UI library implement this as default by now? Also, refactoring file I/O completely so that it abstracts away path sepa…

> multi-select in some (admittedly non-standard and treeview-like) listbox... How did such a "feature" require 7 years to implement?

How often do you need to multi-select items on a list box? I don’t I’ve ever found myself needing to do that in the many years I’ve been a GIMP user.

> switching between dark and light themes with a single button... Doesn't every UI library implement this as default by now?

Which UI libraries do that?

> Or they could just convert everything to forward slashes which also works on every OS...

...except Windows.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by geenat »

TooCreative wrote: post #16

And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

100% this.

No adjustment layers stops every designer cold.

Makes every other effort seem like "the road to get to adjustment layers".

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