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Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

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post #118

Surprised nobody has mentioned org-mode yet. It does everything shown in the video: collapse/expand nodes, focus on subtrees, ability to highlight across rows/nodes, etc. That said, the fluid animations in Bike look great, and the video was very slick! Nice work.

Well, you just did.

OrgMode relies on emacs, which is not exactly in the same class of software that this is. This is "one thing well" stuff. Emacs and OrgMode are pretty much the other side of the continuum.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#124
post #118

Surprised nobody has mentioned org-mode yet. It does everything shown in the video: collapse/expand nodes, focus on subtrees, ability to highlight across rows/nodes, etc. That said, the fluid animations in Bike look great, and the video was very slick! Nice work.

Well, you just did. OrgMode relies on emacs, which is not exactly in the same class of software that this is. This is "one thing well" stuff. Emacs and OrgMode are pretty much the other side of the continuum.

I’ve been having good success with _basic_ outlining functionality of Org Mode in VS Code using the “VS Code Org Mode” extension. No need for emacs for this use case. The built-in VS Code folding works really well and then combining with GitLab which has rendering support for Org Mode when committing/pushing commits. Plus, since everything I’m doing is already in Org Mode syntax, I can move to other editors later if desired. It’s a good solution for my needs, at least.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#125
post #43

This looks cool. I just started using MindNode yesterday [0] which is a similar tool (although it takes a very different approach - it's more visual). I wasn't sure of the effectiveness of these sort of tools as I usually just use text files + Notability sketches but I have to say they are very useful in helping to structure thoughts better. I'm interested to try this. [0] https://www.mindnode.com/

Oh cool, I've been looking for a mindmap app. Oh wait - it is a subscription? Why? That makes zero sense.

Ah I didn't realise. I have it through SetApp, which itself is a subscription, albeit an easier subscription to swallow as you get access to a number of great apps.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#127
Happy to see this available as both a standalone download, and through the App Store.

I'm a big supporter of indie software, but I've had some recent bad experiences that make me gravitate toward the App Store again.

One of them is just a plain old boring MP3 Tag Editor. When I migrated to an M1 MacBook, it no longer worked. I contacted the author, and it took him a couple of months to respond. Once he did, he said I used it on too many computers, so I can't use it anymore. I used it:

1. The computer I purchased the software on, which I no longer have and was recycled.

2. The computer that replaced the first computer, which I no longer use and gave to my wife, who does not use the software.

3. The computer I replaced computer #2 with, which I used temporarily until I got my current computer. The old computer is now a headless media server in the closet.

The author says there's no way to override his copy protection, or to give me a new license key. "I don't have technical options to resolve such an issue."

Great. So I switched to another (more expensive) MP3 tag editor. But this one I bought through the App Store, so I know it will continue working, even if I upgrade my machine.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

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I have been in the market for an outliner that outputs to open formats so I am absolutely your audience. (My current top contender is OutlineEdit, and I was days away taking the plunge so thank you!)

Two things I would love to see in any outliner:

1) Support Harvard and other outline format. I grew up outlining in Harvard and this bullet list stuff is maddening. The developer told me that OutlineEdit will not support it, period, so it's not a deal-breaker.

2) Horizontal outlining. Sometimes it's nice to have a hierarchy that expands and folds to the side. There was a Mac app called Tree 2 that did this but it is long unsupported.

Daily TaskPaper guy, so this is a great development.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#129
post #88

This is an impressively well stripped down app. It's all I ever wanted from OmniOutliner (remember when it shipped with OS X?). Unfortunately, I've been drawn in by the linking functionality in Roam/Logseq and cannot go back to a simple outliner, though this makes me want to. I don't think I'm a fan of the animated cursor while typing. It somehow makes the typing feel slower, like it takes some physical effort for th…

It can feel that way for some people. Seems different per user, there's a preference to change the speed in settings. Also yet need to remember that you don't need to wait for it, sometimes you might just get mesmerized by it and then it feels slow, but if you just type it will keep up with you. It's only ever the "last" animation that fully completes if you are typing fast.

I'll have to try it again, I didn't realize there was a setting for it. I uninstalled it because the typing felt really slow and awkward.

My two cents, default disable so it feels faster, it sounded like speed and smoothness was one of the many selling points.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#130
post #95

This looks great. One small suggestion would be to add a "collapse parent" keyboard shortcut since this is something I imagine using a lot after scanning one or more items in a list. Perhaps Shift-Command-0 might be a good fit for that.

I don't think I want to add to many specialized shortcuts, but if you ask in the hogbaysoftware support forums I'm happy to write an AppleScript to do this, and then that can be assigned a keyboard shortcut. Also generally for collapsing items I use outline mode: Press escape key, and then you can just use left/right arrows to expand collapse items. Maybe not what you are after, but that's how I find I'm always colla…

In OmniOutliner, the collapse row shortcut will collapse the parent which takes care of the specialized extra keybind. What seems odd is OmniOutliner and Bike's outline/collapse row keys are reversed with cmd-0 and cmd-9 doing collapsing and expanding in one and expanding and collapsing in the other.
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