Finally! So many outliners think of each node as a separate text field and add node movements on top. This one gets it. Great work, Jesse!
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#32quick question: why you chose to go with HTML instead of making OPML the default file format? I'm not judging, I'm just curious.
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#33Why would I buy this over Obsidian or Logseq, both of which are free and support more platforms?
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#36This is a great outliner. I'm quite impressed by how fluid it is. Great work! quick question: why you chose to go with HTML instead of making OPML the default file format? I'm not judging, I'm just curious.
Also (not sure this will happen, but I plan to try) I expect to add different node types. For example right now every node is a paragraph. In future might have ... A HEADING (innovation I know). Again that maps really well to HTML, not as well to OPML.
Plus I just like the fact that .bike files are HTML. Makes me confident that they will live and be readable far into the future.
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#37I think this format is fantastic for Show HN threads.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry that's not likely. I'm a single developer, not ready to run a server. More likely (though still have many more basic features on roadmap) is automatic merging support when a Bike file is stored on something like Dropbox. In fact that would be a pretty great service (for someone else to develop). "Dropbox", but for strutted data (xml, json, whatever) that knows how to merge trees and make use if unique ids. Mayb…
I think you could encode a “shelf” last-write-wins CRDT into your HTML using data attributes without exploding your file size. You would need to add a data-version attribute, and if you want to support hand-editing or editing by programs that don’t understand the CRDT, a CRC32 or other parity as data-parity so your loader can tell when a user might have edited a row without updating data-version. Shelf is really simp…
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#39I do struggle to understand the value proposition though. I've been using Bear for outlining, admittedly smallish lists. It's macOS native, supports things like pasting in images, video, markdown, checkboxes, etc.. and is supported by a tiny subscription fee or free. I've never run into performance problems.
Some people just want to work on massive outlines with either text or links and nothing else, move those list items around frequently, and to those people $30 might be cheap. As a product it seems tricky to me, but I'd love to hear from anyone who's the perfect customer, and how this hits the mark for you. As in, what the hell do you plan day-to-day?
Also I quite like the icon, and the nature of it being incredibly simple. In a sense, it reminds me of the first version of IA Writer.
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#40Workflowy and Logseq already provide these features. Am I missing something?
I'm in Dynalist camp!